Does anybody else get tired of the wording on some of these? I don't think "what is being said out there" implies insurance couldn't apply toward this, but rather the insurance coverage will not be adequate to cover the potential damages leaving a large shortfall that would need to be picked up by ALPA members.

The next paragraph is meaningless as well. I have never been in an automobile accident. Doesn't mean it wont happen tomorrow.

Sheesh, it seems the writers for ALPA use the Clinton philosophy...write/speak in such a fashion so that if the roof caves in you can rely on the technicalities of what you said/didn't say later (ie "We never said the insurance would cover all of this. We just said we had insurance that is targeted for such lawsuits!") Talk like things are peachy. ALPA is innocent! Maintain that position no matter what until the gig is up and there is no more hiding. I think this is out of that Edwards guys playbook as well. lol

Really? What do you call this:

Looks like the very definition of bragging.

That is true you didn't use that word, it was my usage of the word based on the fact you do nothing but defend the indefensible.

You'd have a lot more objective credibility if you posted even one time any regret for what ALPA did to the TWA pilots. Especially now that it's not alleged anymore...it happened. Yet not a single post from you stating regret for ALPA's actions.

Carl

Couldn't agree more. You have to read documents produced by our own union with the same careful eye as you would a legal adversary. And when you get done reading the document that way, you see that it could mean almost anything.

Frustrating, but nothing to be done now. DALPA is the bargaining agent for this Section 6.

Carl

I find this very troubling as well. It doesn't build trust (there has actually been a lot of broken trust between pilots and management these past 10 years) when managment says one thing and does another....speaking out of both sides of the mouth so to speak (pun intended).

Hopefully they value a happy, motivated pilot work force (who have more control over cost than any other employee group) Hopefully they want to share the success going forward and reward pilots for the sacrafices made these past 10 years. Managment pay has continued to go up. Pilots need restoration.

If all this talk of engagement and "we want to work with you and be a team that succeeds together...a win/win", turns out to be trickery (ie more loopholes to bust wide upon in the coming months/years) things could turn south in a hurry.

The internet and social media open up avenues not previously available to employee groups. Even our drinking friend Parker gets that "you need the employees on board" to get anything done these days. Pi$$ the employees off when they find out you were not sincere and set them up for a double cross (or more of what happened with the LGA letter writing campaign only to turn it over to almost all RJ's) or burn too many bridges, no airline will remain successful for long.

Unhappy employees can create all kinds of havoc, not the least resulting in Pi$$ed off pax who wont fly said airline any longer. Has anyone been following the campaign Conited pilots are launching using a PR firm from DC? The Unfriendly Skies - Let's Fly with U.S. Pilots I don't think Delta wants this kind of publicity. A plea to Delta...bring the flying in house. Don't brag in the newspaper about RJ's with first class that due to their being outsourced caused many of your pilots to be furloughed for many years.

Regain control of your product and run your airline...don't leave it up to other managements to produce the quality your customers deserve. We know Mullen was an idiot for outsourcing so many small jets. His failure to plan properly should not now become our emergency. Anyway, you are much smarter than Mullen. Let's talk about a price we can agree on for RJ's and bring that flying back in house. That is the negotiation that should be taking place right now...not increasing the number of large, outsourced RJ's. Keep your employees happy. You will be rewarded over the long term if you do so.

That's your interpretation. I'm stating that this trial can, and likely will last much longer. It's funny you accuse me of bragging, when all you do is state this the TWA trial will cost ALPA billions. You're basing that on a judges estimate. He could award billions, only to have it overturned by an Appeals court. You claim that the actions of a few are obviously the beliefs of many.

Once again, your interpretation and assumption. You do that a lot.

Not once have I stated that what was done to the TWA pilots wasn't despicable. I guess if one of your organs fail you'll just end your life, right? By your logic, since part of your body has failed you just kill the whole thing. Obviously the rest of you is despicable and must be disposed of. Your logic is flawed. You seem to have problems seeing logic through your vitriol for the acts of a few people.

As usual, nice job with more spin Carl. Have you noticed the list of people that have you on their ignore list is growing? Soon they'll be very few left to hear you cries.

vacation
 

Hey Gang, sorry to interrupt the debate, I was wondering if I could gain a little APC wisdom with regards to vacation. Some how my junior self (I can hold a block most of the time) scored vacation in June. I was planning on doing the rolling thunder thing this summer, but am not sure how well that would work around my vacation.

Preferences, tricks, schemes, pyramid schemes, bad ideas, I'd like to hear anything you guys have.

Thanks,
Kargo

What is this?
 

I was wondering what this structure's original or intended purpose was. Any ideas? This is at the south end of B concourse in Atlanta.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/me...-concourse.jpg

Rolling thunder does not happen anymore. It happened when they made the GS trigger a lot higher for lineholders and only paid lineholders 1.5 pay. This meant almost all greenslips went to reserves which resulted in rolling thunder. Now you're lucky to get 1 greenslip per month. 2 is extremely lucky and 3 is pretty much unheard of these days. Don't waste your time trying.

This structure was built in 1999 by Leo Mullin to support the huge weight of the BIG PICTURE, however construction was never finished, and the BIG PICTURE sunk into the big pit at the end of 27L.

Does it even matter to you that I've never posted any such thing? Much less doing it all the time? The reason I don't is because the damages number isn't fact yet.

Carl