This I could justify because our contract currently allows them to swap 70 seaters for 76 seaters if the mainline fleet grows. Unfortunately, I do not think this is what is being negotiated. I think we are flat out letting the company keep all the 70 seaters and add 76 seaters in return for parking 50 seaters. That is a loss. A huge one.

 

Hockey, seriously, get another job. You only get the one life. Don't spend it being miserable.

 

I just spent my vacation doing the same thing, hope u and the Fam are well.
I agree, without the foundation, you can't build on the structure very well. Scope is the foundation. Delta can have as many 70 plus seaters as they want with a Delta pilot at the controls. Maybe its cause we are junior, but this is a no vote issue for me. Carl and George get it as well.
As for the ten hour 3 days, look at the open time in NYC73 n as well, it is full of them. We need to be paid more per day of vacation as well as a minimum credit per duty day.

 

He is not miserable. He is tired of being sold out by his employer and his union.

Being angry does not mean we are miserable, or should quit. ALPA works for us. We have every right to expect the union to work for us.

 

I kind of doubt that. Some people will complain about absolutely anything.

 

Look in open time.

 

Folks don't have to be giddy about more outsourcing just to impress you with the way they count their blessings.

 

Is this the PBS Staffing Formula? Which T, I see it as a category specific one. Maybe wrong but it's what I read.

If so, if a given number of hours will be flown by the entire category you could take hours away from regular pilots and bring it back to reserves while reducing GSs. If you could reduce slop coverage in case you run into an exceeding an ALV issue with a group, then I'd guess you could run the same number of hours with fewer pilots overall. But that reduction still goes through the meat grinder staffing formula.

When it is all said and done after you run that through the formula you could probably drop the reserve coverage by... a 10th?

Just a guess playing with the formula. And that's also based on the fact that I doubt we exceed 60hrs per reserve in most categories and could increase the hours per pilot without exceeding 60 although it is a meat grinder.

Doesn't sound like a lot, if 18% of the flying pilots at the airline sat reserve and you shaved 10% off then it's about 200 pilots.

But if you can cut into some of these international categories like the 744 holding 30% on reserve vs ATL 777 having under 20%, then you trickle down the pain again. So whereas you might not kick pilots out of the company or off the 88, which sits at #26 of #31 as the preferable place to be in case you don't fill out your vacancy preferences, you could kick them out of the bigger higher paying equipment.

That's just a paper napkin look, it's worth what you paid for it. Now if someone from the inside wants to post the real numbers...

 

PG,

You bring up an interesting point. Last year per pilot, DAL Pilots produced move revenue than Southwest Pilots. I attend a lot of LEC meetings and was at the local PUB event, I read all the union correspondence and have never heard any of our union guys mention this.

From Yahoo Finance:

DAL 2011 35.8 B revenue with approximately 12,000 Pilots.
SAW 2011 16.5 B revenue with approximately 6,100 Pilots.

I am not saying that there is no merit to your statement, just that it is not as clear cut as you (and often DALPA personnel) make it seem. Obviously their overall costs are a lot lower, due to their efficiencies - plus for SWA. While our broader network offering many more options brings in more dollars - bonus DAL.


Granted, you can play with these numbers all day long to produce different kinds of results. I assume our NC guys are doing this and probably have some pretty good metrics - it does however seem we often get a negative slant on things - why not a balanced view?


Scoop

 

The poster you used as an example has about 1% of their posts that are not complaining about something. More Bacon is similar.

Everyone has a right to complain, point out problems, and the like. When it's all the time, the problem is more than likely within the person.