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Old 06-02-2013 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by surfnski
Wow. Really glad I busted my ass in college and in the military only to get lapped by a backwards-epaulet wearing RJ FO with a GED.

Bring on the barrage of entitlement insults.
Thank you for your service. This isn't exactly how it works though. Best of luck.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 03:07 PM
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How does it work then?
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Old 06-02-2013 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
All they get is an interview. Hopefully the HR person and the pilot in the room will continue to apply the same standards as before. Plus, there's always that probationary period for all those who can't hack it and the attitude stricken.
As much as I wish that were true, I think ALPA is going to have a much larger hand in this process than many think.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
It has been a long time since I’ve been NYC based, but looking at their bid packages..
Depends on the aircraft (and probably schedules for a certain month?):
June’13:
737 and MD88/90 sign ins and releases in JFK and LGA.
320 – all 3, but very little EWR.
7ER – mostly JFK and some EWR.
767-400 – all JFK.
Hope this helps.

PS. Razorback – great intel, thank you!
The 7ER also does a fair amount in and out of LGA.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by surfnski
Wow. Really glad I busted my ass in college and in the military only to get lapped by a backwards-epaulet wearing RJ FO with a GED.

Bring on the barrage of entitlement insults.
Be sure to take that attitude to your interview when you get called. Let us all know how it works for ya.

! was former military too... without the chip on my shoulder.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
The 7ER also does a fair amount in and out of LGA.
Point of order... it's all 757s out of LaGarbage. Believe me, I KNOW!!!

Just messin wit ya.
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Old 06-03-2013 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
As much as I wish that were true, I think ALPA is going to have a much larger hand in this process than many think.
It will be interesting to watch. ALPA has an equal duty to it's members, each and every one. It is difficult to conceive of a union participating in a discriminatory process (which is what an interview is) without triggering claims that the union benefitted one member at the peril of another member.

I'm pretty surprised we've not seen more interest in this matter. Probably interest will peak when hiring starts. By then, it will be too late to do anything.
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Old 06-03-2013 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It will be interesting to watch. ALPA has an equal duty to it's members, each and every one. It is difficult to conceive of a union participating in a discriminatory process (which is what an interview is) without triggering claims that the union benefitted one member at the peril of another member.

I'm pretty surprised we've not seen more interest in this matter. Probably interest will peak when hiring starts. By then, it will be too late to do anything.
You can still be discriminatory to some degree though. Otherwise there has to be a 100% hire rate and no one could credibly argue that in any context. And even if you had that, you'd also have to have a 100% interview rate. And even then it would have to be 100% in seniority order. ALPA is currently pushing to allow FO's to keep doing what they do (walk arounds in the rain, taking the fat one, etc) with a 2nd class medical, but ALPA is not pushing to allow Captain's to fly with 2nd class medicals. Is that discriminatory?
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Old 06-03-2013 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
You can still be discriminatory to some degree though. Otherwise there has to be a 100% hire rate and no one could credibly argue that in any context. And even if you had that, you'd also have to have a 100% interview rate. And even then it would have to be 100% in seniority order. ALPA is currently pushing to allow FO's to keep doing what they do (walk arounds in the rain, taking the fat one, etc) with a 2nd class medical, but ALPA is not pushing to allow Captain's to fly with 2nd class medicals. Is that discriminatory?
No. If Captains want to fly with a 2nd class medical, they could choose to downgrade, at least until August, then the FAA takes over. Comparing CA to FO isn't really accurate. Just look at the W-2.
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Old 06-03-2013 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
Looks like hiring will ramp up sooner vs later. FWIW, I spoke with the CP and 9E SSP candidates will NOT be required to have a BA and any previous 9E pilots who previously interviewed but didn't get the thumbs up: you WILL be able to participate in the SSP, so brush up on whatever held you back the first time....you're about to get a mulligan
I don't believe you. I heard a chief pilot say the exact opposite. A Pinnacle pilot has to meet every standard was his wording or something along those lines. It is black and white. A degree is required here. I wouldn't be surprised to see them interview and be told to come back when they have met the requirements.
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