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Old 07-13-2014 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
That's exactly how one of the new hire coordinator explained to us. When you reach a certain age, you inevitably leave a trail behind, and in light of the fact that personalities don't change, that's how they select applicants from the pool. High GPAs, community work, professional achievement etc. are, to them, great predictors of future performance. They also pay close attention to how long it took one to achieve their professional goals.
That does make some sense...however as someone else stated there is no place on the application to list our community service or our volunteer work .
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Old 07-13-2014 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MachOne
That does make some sense...however as someone else stated there is no place on the application to list our community service or our volunteer work .
Do you have any LOR? Perhaps if one is written for you the author could mention your community service or volunteer work.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 08:30 AM
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I have an application into Delta and I am wondering how I should handle the disclosure of my side business. I have been at a regional for 14 years (captain) and have a side business I actively participate in during my time off - necessary in order to survive financially and the reason I have very few extra activities in aviation and community.

Do you think Delta would find my non-aviation side business a positive or negative? I fully intend to shut it down immediately if I ever am offered a position at Delta.

Should I highlight the fact that I've been an owner of my own software company for 21 years (1-2 employees) or should I downplay it since it might be viewed as a distraction to my aviation career?
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Old 07-13-2014 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by widget59
I have an application into Delta and I am wondering how I should handle the disclosure of my side business. I have been at a regional for 14 years (captain) and have a side business I actively participate in during my time off - necessary in order to survive financially and the reason I have very few extra activities in aviation and community.

Do you think Delta would find my non-aviation side business a positive or negative? I fully intend to shut it down immediately if I ever am offered a position at Delta.

Should I highlight the fact that I've been an owner of my own software company for 21 years (1-2 employees) or should I downplay it since it might be viewed as a distraction to my aviation career?
If they have questions I'd just be honest. I can't imagine they'll have an issue with it. Good luck!
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Old 07-13-2014 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by widget59

Do you think Delta would find my non-aviation side business a positive or negative? I fully intend to shut it down immediately if I ever am offered a position at Delta.

Should I highlight the fact that I've been an owner of my own software company for 21 years (1-2 employees) or should I downplay it since it might be viewed as a distraction to my aviation career?
First--if it's a viable money-maker, then you may want to hold onto it for a year or two until you get some folks under you at Delta. It only takes one catastrophe to completely change the industry's footing. Also--if you shut it down, are you putting folks on the street?


As far as how to spin your business on an ap/interview--might want to sign up with an interview prep/consulting agency to hear their thoughts.

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Old 07-13-2014 | 11:46 AM
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Widget,

Welcome to the club. Delta had no problem with my side business.

Further, they might draft you to be a project pilot on something like the EFB or analyst somewhere within the Company. A good number of Delta's managers come from the pilot pool.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
That's exactly how one of the new hire coordinator explained to us. When you reach a certain age, you inevitably leave a trail behind, and in light of the fact that personalities don't change, that's how they select applicants from the pool. High GPAs, community work, professional achievement etc. are, to them, great predictors of future performance. They also pay close attention to how long it took one to achieve their professional goals.
That seems like a pretty harsh judgement and I wonder at what age they can determine the trail. Some people have scholarships or daddy's money to get them college while others have to work and get themselves through school. Someone might get married have a family or a death in the family that can change things too. Maybe they don't have community service the last 5 years so they can raise twins and keep the wife from going instance. This is a horrible method in just assuming everyone is the same. Some of the smartest book people I have ever worked with or taught in life tend to be some of the dumbest when it comes to common sense. We all know that the captain with a 4.0 GPA vs a captain with a 3.2 isn't necessarily going to save the world. If the 3.2 guy is so much less then why hire them?

I get it, this all they can really go off of to go through the pool of applicants but to say that this determines the type of person they will always be is an extremely harsh judgement to make.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Flycameron
That seems like a pretty harsh judgement and I wonder at what age they can determine the trail. Some people have scholarships or daddy's money to get them college while others have to work and get themselves through school. Someone might get married have a family or a death in the family that can change things too. Maybe they don't have community service the last 5 years so they can raise twins and keep the wife from going instance. This is a horrible method in just assuming everyone is the same. Some of the smartest book people I have ever worked with or taught in life tend to be some of the dumbest when it comes to common sense. We all know that the captain with a 4.0 GPA vs a captain with a 3.2 isn't necessarily going to save the world. If the 3.2 guy is so much less then why hire them?

I get it, this all they can really go off of to go through the pool of applicants but to say that this determines the type of person they will always be is an extremely harsh judgement to make.

Delta bases how they hire on performance. They pretty carefully correlate their hiring standards with actual performance once someone is at Delta. If as a example they note pilots from a specific regional airline perform poorly in training at Delta you can expect to see far fewer pilots hired from that pipeline in the future. There are never absolutes but in hiring they are dealing with generalities. If in general a applicant with a 3.5 GPA performs better then one with a 2.3 then they will bias the selection to the 3.5 that does not mean a 2.3 won't get hired however he needs to provide mitigation on why the GPA was low.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 02:22 PM
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College teaches you nothing but useless garbage. You literally pay tens of thousands of dollars to have someone certify that you completed a series of useless tasks required by ridiculous governing standards. In other words, it's exactly like airline training.

What we think makes a great pilot, is not what management thinks makes a great pilot.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
College teaches you nothing but useless garbage. You literally pay tens of thousands of dollars to have someone certify that you completed a series of useless tasks required by ridiculous governing standards. In other words, it's exactly like airline training.

What we think makes a great pilot, is not what management thinks makes a great pilot.
Pretty broad brush you're using, Mesabah. Stats are pretty straight forward; those with a degree earn a lot more money over their lifetimes than those without. Doesn't make a degree earner a better person, but it does open doors.
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