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03-30-2015 | 02:21 AM

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Does anyone have any knowledge on logging instructor time that was also aircraft commander time? I have a lot of hours flying as both, but if I put those hours in as both in Airlineapps, it double-counts the hours, making my total hours wrong. So I've had to prioritize and just put the majority in the PIC block, making my number of instructor hours incorrect. I figure it's an easy explanation but was curious if anyone has knowledge as to what's valued more at Delta or how they like to see it.

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03-30-2015 | 02:58 AM

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Falcon20

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Originally Posted by captnmo

I put in all of my IP time then subtracted that amount from my PIC total. That being said all of my IP time is PIC time so when I reviewed the totals they match.

Good luck.

03-30-2015 | 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by captnmo

On the bottom of the "Review Totals" page it tells you how they calculate PIC time (PIC=PIC+INSTRUCTOR). They want you to break out your instructor/IP time separately from "regular" PIC but when they pull an app based on PIC time, it all shows up there. So depending on how you logged the times you were an instructor, your totals on Airline Apps may not match your logbook but it ALL counts as PIC time.

Long and the short of it: you are better off putting time as the instructor and PIC in the "instructor" column. I would imagine instructor time is viewed as slightly more valuable than "regular PIC" and it's all counted as PIC anyway.

03-30-2015 | 05:18 AM

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Heed

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Heed, I received my interview invite on 3/26 with an availability date of 6/1 if that helps. My last internal rec went in the first week of March as well.

Good luck.

It does, thanks Falcon.

03-30-2015 | 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by captnmo

Can you actually be a instructor and not the PIC? I would think instructor time is much more valuable since in the civilian world instructor time is PIC time too. But what do I know.

03-30-2015 | 06:29 AM

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FLY6584

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I would not add the other time anywhere. It's basically the civilian equivalent of dead legging. I accumulated some other time in the B-52 and everyone I've talked to has said to completely disregard it.

I'm not saying its the right decision to include Other time, but I disagree with it being the civilian equivalent of dead legging. I would say its more like the civilian equivalent of IRO time at least in my community where augmented crews were common, but one guy kept the A-code the entire flight.

In the civilian world if a three man crew crosses the pond and the Captain takes a rest break in the bunk he still logs all PIC because he was the one who signed for the jet. The same thing happens in the Air Force and I can understand why someone with the A-code who is ultimately responsible for the flight should be able to log all of the time regardless of whether it was primary, secondary, or other time.

03-30-2015 | 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

Long and the short of it: you are better off putting time as the instructor and PIC in the "instructor" column. I would imagine instructor time is viewed as slightly more valuable than "regular PIC" and it's all counted as PIC anyway.

Thanks for the info. That's what I was looking for. I was more under the impression putting the Instructor/PIC time would be more favorable under the "PIC" column. But hearing your opinions has got me changing my mind. Thanks all.

03-30-2015 | 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Flycameron

Can you actually be a instructor and not the PIC? I would think instructor time is much more valuable since in the civilian world instructor time is PIC time too. But what do I know.

Not really. My question was more regarding which column should I put it in? PIC or Instructor? I don't want to double-count my total time.

03-31-2015 | 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by captnmo

Not really. My question was more regarding which column should I put it in? PIC or Instructor? I don't want to double-count my total time.

There is a pretty good explanation of what AirlineApps is looking for under the 'Help' button on the top right of the screen (I think). Basically, you don't log Instructor time as PIC also, nor do you log dual received as PIC even if you were the PIC and could legally log it that way. There is an acknowledgement on the website that the AirlineApps times and your logbook times would be different as a result.

03-31-2015 | 08:16 AM

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tcraft

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From: 737 FO

I seem to remember several people stating that they knew which tier they were placed in after application scoring. Is there a way to find this out or is it something that only the pilot selection people know?