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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 66Vtails
I though the Endevour deal was just for guaranteed interviews not guaranteed hire. I guess I heard wrong.
Guaranteed 8-12 people have to be hired a month from that deal, after Compass and Mesaba flows get their spots.
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 66Vtails
I though the Endevour deal was just for guaranteed interviews not guaranteed hire. I guess I heard wrong.
You are correct. Interviews only. And they have to meet all requirements. I think they have to have been a captain.
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by oldcarpilot
You are correct. Interviews only. And they have to meet all requirements. I think they have to have been a captain.
See post above...
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Question for any Compass guy...Are you hearing anything about being held back at Compass for six months like they did last time we hired?
Hearing all sorts of rumors, but it looks like they're still just rumors at this point. With the lack of sim time some sort of holdback seems likely to me. It's a max of 90 days.
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:25 AM
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 66Vtails
I though the Endevour deal was just for guaranteed interviews not guaranteed hire. I guess I heard wrong.
You heard right. Delta has allotted a certain number of new hire spots to Endeavor (pinnacle). However qualified pilots at Endeavor will have to interview for those allotted spots. You must be a Captain and meet current Delta qualifications (which is a topic that has been beaten to death, but still no clear cut answer what those qualifications are, regarding the 4yr degree).
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
If they stick to the 300 that won't happen.

~ 100 recalls
115 CP
68 Mesaba
12 a month for Pinnacle
~300

Sucks
All these contracts for flows and "preferential" status pilots, etc. are new at Delta.
Lee Moak seems to be trying to gradually establish more union control over the hiring process. That hiring hall model works in other industries but I'm a bit surprised that Delta flight ops management is allowing pilot selection to get away from them to this extent. In the past they've always guarded that prerogative pretty closely.

I'm not sure Moak is doing the right thing on this one. I think ALPA is making a mistake by trading contract concessions at the regional connection airlines for slots at Delta.

This just follows the whole recent trend of consolidating all decision making in Herndon. Allowing Delta to sign contracts directly with other pilot groups without even the OK from the Delta MEC is the most dangerous aspect of that trend. I hope we don't regret it but I'm afraid we might.

Lee Moak is getting very powerful. Maybe too powerful. He should at least do a better job of explaining to the rank and file what the strategy is behind all these moves.
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
All these contracts for flows and "preferential" status pilots, etc. are new at Delta.
Lee Moak seems to be trying to gradually establish more union control over the hiring process. That hiring hall model works in other industries but I'm a bit surprised that Delta flight ops management is allowing pilot selection to get away from them to this extent. In the past they've always guarded that prerogative pretty closely.

I'm not sure Moak is doing the right thing on this one. I think ALPA is making a mistake by trading contract concessions at the regional connection airlines for slots at Delta.

This just follows the whole recent trend of consolidating all decision making in Herndon. Allowing Delta to sign contracts directly with other pilot groups without even the OK from the Delta MEC is the most dangerous aspect of that trend. I hope we don't regret it but I'm afraid we might.

Lee Moak is getting very powerful. Maybe too powerful. He should at least do a better job of explaining to the rank and file what the strategy is behind all these moves.
Agreed, sucks for all who are trying to get on outside of these.
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:38 AM
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Pinnacle is not guaranteed certain routes or even flight hours at that. All we have guaranteed is a fleet size of 81 CRJ-900's. How is that contract any different than Delta Airlines placing Comairs planes at different regionals. Was the Delta Airlines MEC involved in that decision. Like I said on an earlier post Delta Airlines owns Pinnacle what management team should of they negotiated with? And as far as hiring where in the Delta Airlines Pilot Contract does it state the union will have a say in hiring.
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Old 08-09-2013 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
Agreed, sucks for all who are trying to get on outside of these.
It forces more pilots to come up through an ALPA affiliated regional airline rather than from the military or other sources. I guess that's the goal.

Problem is, as ALPA continues the upward creep in the number and allowable size of "regional" jets, this arrangement is pretty much nothing but a thinly disguised B-scale.

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