Originally Posted by cencal83406

It it was a true violation of the Admin Manual, it would have not made it off the ground.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Yes, and no. The military pilots come with assumed characteristics which include high quality selection and training. Some have also used a lot of military leave. Some have observed a lot of bracketing of vacation and sick leave with military leaves of absence, which has led to some grumbling by people who matter. ( not that I have a concern ... it means more people on the seniority list ... just providing SA )

As others have pointed out, the regional guys have already been flying Delta passengers and in some cases, their HR records are already on Delta's computers. In some cases, the regional guy's Chief is already a Delta manager or a former Delta manager ... resulting in their characteristics being pretty well known to Delta also.

Your post was really well written and exactly the way applicants should approach the opportunity. Just providing some situational awareness, ie, don't ask the question several have asked in the past, "if I came to Delta, how long would it be before I could go out on leave?"

Originally Posted by Xray678

Interesting. What if Delta decided to hire every other month? Say 100 in Jan, then 100 in Mar, etc. The numbers of off the street folks could go way up.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Exactly. Classes on:

Jan 2
Jan 31
Feb 1
Feb 28th
March 1
March 31st

etc, would have half the flows and tons more off the streeters than one class per calendar month. Even if they skipped a calendar month, like say no classes in Feb, 2 Jan Classes and 2 March classes would still have the same number of classes as one monthly class from Jan to Apr, in the same time frame, with half the flows.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

You know ... they could run indoc that way, but, my guess is that once it starts they'll be pushing max throughput and will not want the expense of letting people sit prior to training.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Supposedly we can train 100+ per month easilly, although I have my doubts about that. Just because it was done at one point in the past doesn't mean it can be done now. But even if its too much to run double classes every month, we could still run double classes every other month, thus cutting flows in half with zero additional impact to the training pipeline. Assuming the same total number hired:

Jan 2
Feb 1
Mar 1
Apr 1
May 1
Jun 1

is the exact same as:

Jan 2
Jan 31
Mar 1
Mar 31
May 1
May 31

But with half the flows and many, many times more off the street hires. By moving Feb, Apr and Jun classes back just one day each into the previous month and then skipping the next "month's" class, it could happen with zero additional training backlog.

Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude

This doesn't change the fact that the FTA guys are still coming. Do you really believe DAL is that obsessed with slowing it down?
I would think they'd be more inclined to get it over with.

UA

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

The Company agreed to it and saved a ton of money both by cutting wages and longevity as pilots get reset with the issuance of their new ID... it is likely the only folks that don't think it is a great idea is pilots who think they've just witnessed someone metaphorically cutting in line.

Delta's hiring reminds me of my first girlfriend, Sandy. Lead cheerleader, still pretty to this day even ... I was pretty excited when she said "I love you Dude." It was less exciting when she said "but Dude, you know, I love everybody."

Originally Posted by TOGAANG

After 13 years I'm ready for the airlines and my one weekend a month and two weeks a year flying will keep me happy.

Originally Posted by crewdawg

Another problem is the mil days available are dwindling rapidly. With the current fiscal environment, I don't see it getting better anytime soon.