Originally Posted by FL370esq

I'm not so sure your comment properly reflects how 22.E.11 works.

First off, you need to be an unassigned pilot. By definition (22.A.23), an "unassigned pilot" is "a pilot in excess of PWA staffing requirements who is
assigned to an aircraft type and base but does not currently hold a status."

"Status" is defined (22.A.21) as "a pilot’s rank as Captain or First Officer."

In order to become an "unassigned pilot," there would have to be displacements to the point that the most junior pilots are pushed out of the most junior position (B717FO) and they now have nowhere to go but they also cannot be furloughed. Any pilot assigned to a base and seat (i.e., ATLM88B) is, by definition, not an unassigned pilot. Therefore the provisions of 22.E.11 would not apply. If not enough pilots bid the CSeries FO spots, it will take either new hires to staff that category or a whole lot more displacements through shrinking manning to push current seniority list pilots into it. However, it becomes a bit more interesting in the sense that the CSeries is above the B717 in the Order of Positions so, you would, in effect, be forcing pilots upsteam via a Mandatory Displacement to fill those vacancies. I just don't see it happening in the near future.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I guessed you missed the part where I said the block hour plan would have to be reduced. That could create unassigned pilots depending on the block hour reduction.

Originally Posted by FL370esq

Not sure how that applies to previously discussed hypothetical unfilled CSeries positions. Yes, there certainly would have to be block hour reductions to create unassigned pilots. But that block hour reduction would have to be so significant that the Company would have to post several displacement-only bids like the 2004-2005 era to get pilots into an unassigned category. By the time all that happened, the CSeries positions will have been filled via means other than the obscure contract provision of 22.E.11.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

In perusing the APC threads, it appears that almost everybody is cutting back on hiring.


Interesting.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Bingo, you have kind of made my whole point about hiring. The hiring will be driven by block hours. Unless fuel goes up and the block hour plan drops we will hire in the fall.
One thing to keep in mind, unassigned pilots can be created and then junior manned into a new category in the same bid. It would mean in this case the company would have to not award most of the posted AE’s.

Originally Posted by Sputnik

Help me with the math on hiring. We are overmanned in the two busiest months such that reserves are sitting around and company is offering SILs. I’m thinking we will be even more over manned once summer peak ends. Only issue will be summer of 19, and how many more will we need then vs this summer?

I saw about 175 retirements this year, didn’t add up numbers first six months of 19.

I’m not seeing any need for hiring in the fall, more like Jan to meet next summer requirements plus retirements.

Not saying you’re wrong, just not understanding

Originally Posted by sailingfun

75 dollar oil.