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01-10-2014 | 04:54 AM
#342
looking for underboob
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From: NYC 7ER LCA
That's awesome total of 34 new hires in that class with 20 showing up at a later date.
We will get emails Monday to bid on base/equipment.
Hoping for anything DTW
01-10-2014 | 05:16 AM
#344
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
I would agree with those guys. I too think this is the very beginning of a long hiring cycle. I think this one will be bigger than the 1985 to 1991 cycle. If you look at that one, just ask Timbo about the merits of being hired at the front of the wave!
That hiring cycle looked very much like a bell curve, slowly gathering steam and then tapering off. I'm guessing the same thing is going to happen here also only you guys ARE at the head of the class. At least that's what my crystal ball says!
Denny
That hiring cycle looked very much like a bell curve, slowly gathering steam and then tapering off. I'm guessing the same thing is going to happen here also only you guys ARE at the head of the class. At least that's what my crystal ball says!Denny
I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good! I have found though, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
1985 was a great time to be hired at Delta, no doubt, my first seniority number was 3879, but at that time in newhire class, the hot rumor was, they were only going to hire 200 of us, just to get them through the merger, with....
North West!
Then we were going to be furloughed.
The first furloughs didn't happen until 1993, after the Pan Am merger, (thanks to Mo'Ron) and we did finally merge with NW obviously, after Western and Pan Am, my number was above 5000 after those two mergers.
I don't know if the next 6 years will resemble the hiring spree of 1985-91, but we can hope!
There are several things in our contract today, that didn't exist back then, that will mitigate their need to hire as many, and it certainly won't be a one for one replacement of the 3000+ pilots hired between 1985-1991, some of whom will be turning 65 in the next 5 years. You are stuck with me for another 10+, sorry.
In 1985 we had a hard 75hr. cap, bow wave/spill back, trips dropped touching vacations, etc. The guys I flew engineer for used to brag about how much time off they had, not about how many hours they flew.
Now we have PBS, no cap on swaps, pilot to pilot pick ups, vacation bank, reserves can fly ALV+15, etc. All of those things are allowing guys to fly well over 100 mo. where in 1985, there was no monetary incentive to fly over 75, it would just go into your bow wave for next month.
Those items were all put in the contract for one reason, lower the required body count going forward. I'm guessing those items will save the company at least 20% body count, compared to what we needed under our 1985 contract, to fly the same block hours.
Last edited by Timbo; 01-10-2014 at 05:56 AM.
01-10-2014 | 06:04 AM
#345
Gets Weekends Off
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From: A330 First Officer
[QUOTE=Timbo;1555757]Hey...I resemble that remark!
I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good! I have found though, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
1985 was a great time to be hired at Delta, no doubt, my first seniority number was 3879, but at that time in newhire class, the hot rumor was, they were only going to hire 200 of us, just to get them through the merger, with....
North West!
Then we were going to be furloughed.
The first furloughs didn't happen until 1993, after the Pan Am merger, (thanks to Mo'Ron) and we did finally merge with NW obviously, after Western and Pan Am, my number was above 5000 after those two mergers.
I don't know if the next 6 years will resemble the hiring spree of 1985-91, but we can hope!
There are several things in our contract today, that didn't exist back then, that will mitigate their need to hire as many, and it certainly won't be a one for one replacement of the 3000+ pilots hired between 1985-1991, some of whom will be turning 65 in the next 5 years. You are stuck with me for another 10+, sorry.
In 1985 we had a hard 75hr. cap, bow wave/spill back, trips dropped touching vacations, etc. The guys I flew engineer for used to brag about how much time off they had, not about how many hours they flew.
Now we have PBS, no cap on swaps, pilot to pilot pick ups, vacation bank, reserves can fly ALV+15, etc. All of those things are allowing guys to fly well over 100 mo. where in 1985, there was no monetary incentive to fly over 75, it would just go into your bow wave for next month.
Those items were all put in the contract for one reason, lower the required body count going forward. I'm guessing those items will save the company at least 20% body count, compared to what we needed under our 1985 contract, to fly the same block hours.[/QUOTE]
And guys sit and complain about lack of movement when they are going out and flying up to FAR's. One day we will learn, however it doesn't look like it will happen any time in the future.
I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good! I have found though, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
1985 was a great time to be hired at Delta, no doubt, my first seniority number was 3879, but at that time in newhire class, the hot rumor was, they were only going to hire 200 of us, just to get them through the merger, with....
North West!
Then we were going to be furloughed.
The first furloughs didn't happen until 1993, after the Pan Am merger, (thanks to Mo'Ron) and we did finally merge with NW obviously, after Western and Pan Am, my number was above 5000 after those two mergers.
I don't know if the next 6 years will resemble the hiring spree of 1985-91, but we can hope!
There are several things in our contract today, that didn't exist back then, that will mitigate their need to hire as many, and it certainly won't be a one for one replacement of the 3000+ pilots hired between 1985-1991, some of whom will be turning 65 in the next 5 years. You are stuck with me for another 10+, sorry.
In 1985 we had a hard 75hr. cap, bow wave/spill back, trips dropped touching vacations, etc. The guys I flew engineer for used to brag about how much time off they had, not about how many hours they flew.
Now we have PBS, no cap on swaps, pilot to pilot pick ups, vacation bank, reserves can fly ALV+15, etc. All of those things are allowing guys to fly well over 100 mo. where in 1985, there was no monetary incentive to fly over 75, it would just go into your bow wave for next month.
Those items were all put in the contract for one reason, lower the required body count going forward. I'm guessing those items will save the company at least 20% body count, compared to what we needed under our 1985 contract, to fly the same block hours.[/QUOTE]
And guys sit and complain about lack of movement when they are going out and flying up to FAR's. One day we will learn, however it doesn't look like it will happen any time in the future.
01-10-2014 | 06:26 AM
#346
The Brown Dot +1
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: 777B
[QUOTE=DALMD88FO;1555776]
Maybe we will learn in the past then. Anyway, some day we will...
Hey...I resemble that remark!
I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good! I have found though, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
1985 was a great time to be hired at Delta, no doubt, my first seniority number was 3879, but at that time in newhire class, the hot rumor was, they were only going to hire 200 of us, just to get them through the merger, with....
North West!
Then we were going to be furloughed.
The first furloughs didn't happen until 1993, after the Pan Am merger, (thanks to Mo'Ron) and we did finally merge with NW obviously, after Western and Pan Am, my number was above 5000 after those two mergers.
I don't know if the next 6 years will resemble the hiring spree of 1985-91, but we can hope!
There are several things in our contract today, that didn't exist back then, that will mitigate their need to hire as many, and it certainly won't be a one for one replacement of the 3000+ pilots hired between 1985-1991, some of whom will be turning 65 in the next 5 years. You are stuck with me for another 10+, sorry.
In 1985 we had a hard 75hr. cap, bow wave/spill back, trips dropped touching vacations, etc. The guys I flew engineer for used to brag about how much time off they had, not about how many hours they flew.
Now we have PBS, no cap on swaps, pilot to pilot pick ups, vacation bank, reserves can fly ALV+15, etc. All of those things are allowing guys to fly well over 100 mo. where in 1985, there was no monetary incentive to fly over 75, it would just go into your bow wave for next month.
Those items were all put in the contract for one reason, lower the required body count going forward. I'm guessing those items will save the company at least 20% body count, compared to what we needed under our 1985 contract, to fly the same block hours.[/QUOTE]
And guys sit and complain about lack of movement when they are going out and flying up to FAR's. One day we will learn, however it doesn't look like it will happen any time in the future.
I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good! I have found though, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
1985 was a great time to be hired at Delta, no doubt, my first seniority number was 3879, but at that time in newhire class, the hot rumor was, they were only going to hire 200 of us, just to get them through the merger, with....
North West!
Then we were going to be furloughed.
The first furloughs didn't happen until 1993, after the Pan Am merger, (thanks to Mo'Ron) and we did finally merge with NW obviously, after Western and Pan Am, my number was above 5000 after those two mergers.
I don't know if the next 6 years will resemble the hiring spree of 1985-91, but we can hope!
There are several things in our contract today, that didn't exist back then, that will mitigate their need to hire as many, and it certainly won't be a one for one replacement of the 3000+ pilots hired between 1985-1991, some of whom will be turning 65 in the next 5 years. You are stuck with me for another 10+, sorry.
In 1985 we had a hard 75hr. cap, bow wave/spill back, trips dropped touching vacations, etc. The guys I flew engineer for used to brag about how much time off they had, not about how many hours they flew.
Now we have PBS, no cap on swaps, pilot to pilot pick ups, vacation bank, reserves can fly ALV+15, etc. All of those things are allowing guys to fly well over 100 mo. where in 1985, there was no monetary incentive to fly over 75, it would just go into your bow wave for next month.
Those items were all put in the contract for one reason, lower the required body count going forward. I'm guessing those items will save the company at least 20% body count, compared to what we needed under our 1985 contract, to fly the same block hours.[/QUOTE]
And guys sit and complain about lack of movement when they are going out and flying up to FAR's. One day we will learn, however it doesn't look like it will happen any time in the future.
01-10-2014 | 07:35 AM
#347
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01-10-2014 | 08:19 AM
#348
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From: Kickin’ Back
Hey...I resemble that remark!
I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good! I have found though, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
Ditto! Only I wasn't as lucky as you.........1988 for me.
1985 was a great time to be hired at Delta, no doubt, my first seniority number was 3879, but at that time in newhire class, the hot rumor was, they were only going to hire 200 of us, just to get them through the merger, with....
North West!
Then we were going to be furloughed.
The first furloughs didn't happen until 1993, after the Pan Am merger, (thanks to Mo'Ron) and we did finally merge with NW obviously, after Western and Pan Am, my number was above 5000 after those two mergers.
I don't know if the next 6 years will resemble the hiring spree of 1985-91, but we can hope!
I don't think it's going to mirror that time period where the company built up to 90 guys a month......but I do forsee the company hiring 50 a month or more for a longer period of time. It may take a year or two to build up to that just like it did from '85 but that's what my crystal ball foretells!
There are several things in our contract today, that didn't exist back then, that will mitigate their need to hire as many, and it certainly won't be a one for one replacement of the 3000+ pilots hired between 1985-1991, some of whom will be turning 65 in the next 5 years. You are stuck with me for another 10+, sorry.
No argument from me. But, with the merger, it's now A LOT more than 3000 hired in that time frame. Yeah, you and all them other rat bastids are stuck with me for just under 10 years!!
In 1985 we had a hard 75hr. cap, bow wave/spill back, trips dropped touching vacations, etc. The guys I flew engineer for used to brag about how much time off they had, not about how many hours they flew.
Now we have PBS, no cap on swaps, pilot to pilot pick ups, vacation bank, reserves can fly ALV+15, etc. All of those things are allowing guys to fly well over 100 mo. where in 1985, there was no monetary incentive to fly over 75, it would just go into your bow wave for next month.
I'd love to have the bow wave concept back.
Those items were all put in the contract for one reason, lower the required body count going forward. I'm guessing those items will save the company at least 20% body count, compared to what we needed under our 1985 contract, to fly the same block hours.
No argument from this part of the peanut gallery.
I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good! I have found though, the harder I work, the luckier I get.
Ditto! Only I wasn't as lucky as you.........1988 for me.
1985 was a great time to be hired at Delta, no doubt, my first seniority number was 3879, but at that time in newhire class, the hot rumor was, they were only going to hire 200 of us, just to get them through the merger, with....
North West!
Then we were going to be furloughed.
The first furloughs didn't happen until 1993, after the Pan Am merger, (thanks to Mo'Ron) and we did finally merge with NW obviously, after Western and Pan Am, my number was above 5000 after those two mergers.
I don't know if the next 6 years will resemble the hiring spree of 1985-91, but we can hope!
I don't think it's going to mirror that time period where the company built up to 90 guys a month......but I do forsee the company hiring 50 a month or more for a longer period of time. It may take a year or two to build up to that just like it did from '85 but that's what my crystal ball foretells!
There are several things in our contract today, that didn't exist back then, that will mitigate their need to hire as many, and it certainly won't be a one for one replacement of the 3000+ pilots hired between 1985-1991, some of whom will be turning 65 in the next 5 years. You are stuck with me for another 10+, sorry.
No argument from me. But, with the merger, it's now A LOT more than 3000 hired in that time frame. Yeah, you and all them other rat bastids are stuck with me for just under 10 years!!
In 1985 we had a hard 75hr. cap, bow wave/spill back, trips dropped touching vacations, etc. The guys I flew engineer for used to brag about how much time off they had, not about how many hours they flew.
Now we have PBS, no cap on swaps, pilot to pilot pick ups, vacation bank, reserves can fly ALV+15, etc. All of those things are allowing guys to fly well over 100 mo. where in 1985, there was no monetary incentive to fly over 75, it would just go into your bow wave for next month.
I'd love to have the bow wave concept back.
Those items were all put in the contract for one reason, lower the required body count going forward. I'm guessing those items will save the company at least 20% body count, compared to what we needed under our 1985 contract, to fly the same block hours.
No argument from this part of the peanut gallery.
Filler.
Denny
01-10-2014 | 08:47 AM
#349
Runs with scissors
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Thanks for that Filler Denny, all I can say is;
Filler Up!
(it is Underboob Friday, right?)
Free Jesse!
I had to pass on a 32hr. (x2=64hrs. pay!) GS last night, because I'm sick, and I'm on my OFF DAYS!
Maybe I should have said, "Sure, I'll take it! Oh and by the way, now please show me out sick! Thanks."
Then call the CPO and let them know I get sick on my off days too...
Filler Up!
(it is Underboob Friday, right?)
Free Jesse!
I had to pass on a 32hr. (x2=64hrs. pay!) GS last night, because I'm sick, and I'm on my OFF DAYS!
Maybe I should have said, "Sure, I'll take it! Oh and by the way, now please show me out sick! Thanks."
Then call the CPO and let them know I get sick on my off days too...
Last edited by Timbo; 01-10-2014 at 08:58 AM.
01-10-2014 | 09:04 AM
#350
Line Holder
Joined: Dec 2013
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Just so there's no confusion here, none of you are hired until you are sitting in class with an id badge. Right now you have conditional offers of employment. If the company decides they don't need as many pilots as it offered interviews, it is very possible for guys to never see a class date. It has happened before. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.
Got it. Please replace "off the street hire" with the words "off the street conditional letter of employment". End result is the same. Bunch of people waiting to find out when training may (or may not...) begin.
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