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02-21-2014 | 09:18 AM

#961

Imapilot2

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From: Captain Jack

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Originally Posted by Burn Notice

"If you try hard and have a good attitude, you will not fail!" Stan the Man-727FE Ground School-May 1997. Still works almost 17 years later. Welcome Aboard!!

not any more. that is why the big wig I talked to said he hated it . great guys, tried hard ,still busted

02-21-2014 | 09:41 AM

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Stinsat7

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From: DAL 757 FO

Just so I understand, it's 3 strikes per event right? (ie: transition, initial equipment, or upgrade)

02-21-2014 | 10:06 AM

#963

Howgozit

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From: B737NG-B

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Originally Posted by Stinsat7

Just so I understand, it's 3 strikes per event right? (ie: transition, initial equipment, or upgrade)

3 in your career. I.e. You fail upgrade, go back to your previous equip. Few years later try and fail again then you only have one freebie left.

02-21-2014 | 05:23 PM

#964

XtremeF150

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From: M88B

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Originally Posted by Howgozit

3 in your career. I.e. You fail upgrade, go back to your previous equip. Few years later try and fail again then you only have one freebie left.

True but a failure is MUCH more than a bad day. You get 3 extra sessions in the 100-200 series & 3 in the 300-400 if my memory serves me correctly. Also I believe there are 2 extra chance through an initial qual. So ESV fail , retake , LOE fail retake, Finished. All this is from what I think I recall but I'll check. I actually have all the stipulations written down at home. Just so everyone knows that it takes some real goofin' up to fail 3 separate events.

All that said everyone should always study hard. Its not as easy as a veteran pilot in the seat makes it look.

02-21-2014 | 06:57 PM

#965

80ktsClamp

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From: Poodle Whisperer

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Originally Posted by contrails

Evidently, some returning furloughees are having challenges too, as some have not flown any kind of airplane in more than a decade.

Yep, at least one has already been let go and there are others that are struggling. 13 years without even thinking about flying an airplane and jumping right into a Douglas... That's a heck of a combo.

02-21-2014 | 06:59 PM

#966

80ktsClamp

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From: Poodle Whisperer

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Originally Posted by scambo1

I think your concerns are not well founded. While most pilots cant even imagine how someone could fail recurrent, apparently there are "pilots" who go into it as a 50/50 proposition.

IOW, nobody goes into training to fail, but some folks apparently don't have the tools to regularly pass. Now, its 3 strikes...And GG moves up in his category.

The last I saw, we have about a 99.5% pass rate on checking events. Out of 12,000ish pilots, that's more than a couple that ball it up.

02-21-2014 | 09:00 PM

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germb74

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

The last I saw, we have about a 99.5% pass rate on checking events. Out of 12,000ish pilots, that's more than a couple that ball it up.

Far better odds than my present employer. Rumor was, in the past, we had around a 50% bust rate on captain upgrades. I don't know if that was ever really true or not, but I believe realistically we do have about a 7-10% bust rate on our new AQP/CQ program which is probably more than the FAA would like to see at this level.

Anyway, Delta's stats do speak for the quality of applicants they seek out, screen, and hire. I try to approach every training event by being as well-prepared and studied as I can, coming in with a great attitude (e.g. cooperate to graduate, don't argue with the check airman), and doing the best I can. If, despite this, I still fail--then I can hold my head high knowing that I did my best and it just wasn't meant to be.

02-22-2014 | 05:43 AM

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GogglesPisano

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From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns

ACA 1998-2003 timeframe had a 50% bust rate in the CRJ (aka "Space Shuttle," aka the "Pink Badge of Courage.")

World busted about 25% of their MD11 F/O's as a matter of course (because it's "the mighty MD11"

)

Safe to say, Delta training is worlds apart. The most gentlemanly and pro-line-pilot philosophy I've ever experienced.

02-22-2014 | 06:32 AM

#969

Gspeed

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You Eagle?

02-22-2014 | 12:41 PM

#970

Purple Drank

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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator

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Originally Posted by Express pilot

You need LOD and Flows down day 1. I remember as a new hire showing up day 1 to FTD and didn't know much of any flows. I got ripped a new one. The way Delta has set up their training you need to show up a little prepared.

That was not my experience.
I had the LoD, ops limits, and boldface down cold. None of the flows; I didn't want to build bad habits. No issues in training.

I recommend enjoying indoc and not burning out. One's Delta career is a marathon, not a sprint.