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09-06-2014 | 03:51 PM
#1591
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Not sure I follow you. My solution makes it possible for a guy in NY to have the ATL guys count towards his reserve required number. Nothing more. The company is gonna do what they are gonna do in order to fly the schedule. If that entails DHing a pilot from another base to cover (which it often does) then all I am saying is that that ability should extend to us for accounting purposes. Now if you are suggesting that we can stop them from DHing that ATL pilot to NY to cover, I am all ears, but I would think that would result in broken rotations and reroutes out the wazoo.
Oh, and How bout them Vols? I watched it in a bar in Manhattan this afternoon. lots of rednecks in NYC.
Oh, and How bout them Vols? I watched it in a bar in Manhattan this afternoon. lots of rednecks in NYC.
Clem(p)son had a nice showing too. It would have been nice if the other team showed up tho.
09-06-2014 | 03:54 PM
#1592
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From: 777B
Carl, I think everything above 80 hours should pay 2X, not 1.5. I think 2X is a general disincentive to Delta, and they'll increase manning to prevent doing it on a regular basis. But 1.5X is just enough that Delta will just let us all fly til we die, rather than increase staffing. That's why I'm opposed to it. It's not enough penalty to Delta.
09-06-2014 | 04:42 PM
#1593
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I'm not looking to be punitive. I'm trying to find a way to protect us from ourselves. You and I have been around long enough to remember when this was a good job --- 75 hour hard cap, zero medical premiums, DB plan. Now, guys are flying 90+ hours at straight pay on a regular basis. Guys fly 100+ hours credit in vacation months, effectively flying a full month and getting their vacation pay on top of that. As a result, seat progression has been non-existent for many of us for many, many years.
I'm simply asking us to consider rolling back the limits on straight pay flying. Is that so bad?
I'm simply asking us to consider rolling back the limits on straight pay flying. Is that so bad?
09-06-2014 | 05:04 PM
#1594
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Agreed - but the penalty comes in because our PWA has provisions in which GSs trigger an increase in the required staffing formula. There are no such provisions when guys white slip to 99, or swap to 100+. There should be.
09-06-2014 | 05:21 PM
#1595
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From: DAL 330
I'm not looking to be punitive. I'm trying to find a way to protect us from ourselves. You and I have been around long enough to remember when this was a good job --- 75 hour hard cap, zero medical premiums, DB plan. Now, guys are flying 90+ hours at straight pay on a regular basis. Guys fly 100+ hours credit in vacation months, effectively flying a full month and getting their vacation pay on top of that. As a result, seat progression has been non-existent for many of us for many, many years.
I'm simply asking us to consider rolling back the limits on straight pay flying. Is that so bad?
I'm simply asking us to consider rolling back the limits on straight pay flying. Is that so bad?
Excellent post! Agree 100%. Well said sir.
Scoop
09-06-2014 | 05:25 PM
#1596
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From: 777B
Categories are not interchangeable, each have their own dynamics. If seat progression is your measure of success, it is a soda straw view. My measure of success takes into account days worked/ month for a given paycheck. Someone else might have a different measure.
09-06-2014 | 05:26 PM
#1597
Straight QOL, homie
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
But guys, sailingfun said the contract is better now than it was before BK!
I guess he didn't like the 75 cap.
I'm on board with anything to disincentivize the rampant wh0ring.
I guess he didn't like the 75 cap.
I'm on board with anything to disincentivize the rampant wh0ring.
09-06-2014 | 05:30 PM
#1598
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From: 777B
Far 117 dis-incentivized rampant Ho-ing. The problem is, pilots haven't taken the time to figure out how to make more while working less.
09-06-2014 | 06:02 PM
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I think the huge plus for paying 1.5 above 80 is guys could actually get rid of trips. People would pick up qualified drops because they wouldn't be holding out for Green Slips which go to a select few.
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