bender.....if you have been informed of some historical record of the delta pilot group that for the last 30 years that has been something other than compliant, cooperative, and accommodating to the needs and desires of delta management..........I am sorry to be the one to let you know that you have been misinformed.

30 years ago....we wouldn't even be having this discussion...because there was no memrat...the mec simply went into a room with the company, came out with the agreement....and said "here it is guys...hope you like it".

Frankly....not too much has changed in all that time.

You have a nice day too. And stop worrying....this ta, just like ALL the others in the history of this pilot group......will pass. Im guessing a respectable 55/45......so the mec can claim a 'hard fought' victory.

 

First of all, I don't have boys. You're like an old scratched up record that keeps skipping and playing the same tune.

The reason it's important to hire professional negotiators is precisely because of their detachment. You give them your inviolate items and what you must gain, then you turn them loose to do their jobs in an ice cold and completely detached manner. It's the same reason you never use your own staff attorneys to sue or defend yourself in a suit. You hire outside litigators to do that because your own attorneys are too personally attached.

The guys we use are the same guys that used to work directly for ALPA. They outsourced those folks now. This is not how you do things if you actually want to win.

See above. You're a stuck mic on the frequency and not even listening. They only negotiate what you tell them you must have. Why should they care about living under the contract? They only do what you've asked of them. And they never cry.

They're not blithering idiots at all. They just signed a TA that did NOT meet the direction of the MEC. Why they did that (again) is unknowable. One other thing tsquare, negotiating is a full time admin position. Many of them are on full time flight pay loss. They don't live under our contract.

Quite the contrary. I want ALPA to change. I demand they return to their roots as a labor union. I'm using ALL the tools at my disposal to achieve that. Despite the name calling from people like you.

Carl

 

All spelling aside...

Even if this is true, how is continuing with C2012 in the meantime a bad thing vs. voting yes and locking in the concessions in the current proposal?

 

Yes.
Maybe not. Leverage in negotiations comes from what you can do to argue with data to further your position. What is the negotiators argument there?
"We got screwed in the past, so we feel that we should get more this time"

 

And is full of half-truths and conjecture. We only need the actual TA language itself. Not administration spin to get this passed at all costs. The more the admin's put out stuff like this, the more angry it's going to make line pilots. They've been told to stop acting like used car salesmen, but they just can't do it. Bad move.

Carl

 

Funny funny stuff coming from you Carl.

 

Please educate us then. I would love to know what the half truths and conjecture are.

 

It's not depending on your personal perspective. If you think the market bubble and environment will be better than the last couple of years then maybe the extra % of PS in C2012 will be better. If you take a defensive approach, the confirmed pay would be better with the TA.

What is the biggest concession to you? I'm not of a fan of the TA's proposed solution to sick leave, but the company isn't going to agree to anything that doesn't address it in some fashion. I'm open to alternatives.

 

More one-sided BS. This will not help the MEC Administration.

Carl

 

Again, no substance to your argument. Please educate us oh exalted one of higher knowledge.