Details on Delta TA
06-24-2015 | 04:24 AM
#9911
The Brown Dot +1
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: 777B
This is an excellent letter that many on here should model. It doesn't sugarcoat anything, calls a spade a spade--even lets the reps know the scale of the anger at how this is an unnecessarily concessionary TA given our record profits, and how they failed to represent the pilots during the "process." The anger is real, justified, and plainspoken.
But you don't wallow around in the metaphorical gutter, and for that I thank you.
But you don't wallow around in the metaphorical gutter, and for that I thank you.
06-24-2015 | 04:49 AM
#9912
Runs with scissors
Joined: Dec 2009
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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
We didn't even get Holiday Pay in this POS.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
06-24-2015 | 05:00 AM
#9913
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Gets Weekends Off
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We didn't even get Holiday Pay in this POS.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
Flight attendants: 4:45 training day. Pilots 4:00
They couldn't even sink the layups.
06-24-2015 | 05:02 AM
#9914
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We didn't even get Holiday Pay in this POS.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
06-24-2015 | 05:18 AM
#9915
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Light Chop
We didn't even get Holiday Pay in this POS.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
ALL the other employee groups get it.
How LAME is this MEC? Totally incompetent.
I want to see a list of all the names on the Strategic Planning Committee, and the NC. ALL of those guys, MD and the YES voting LEC guys need to go back to flying the line for a few years, see how the other half lives.
Why not fly the line? What is wrong with flying the line month in and month out for years? Why bother to apply to this airline if you don't want to freaking fly? Goes for the seagulls as well.
I mean I get a stint here or there, training department, CPO, ALPA, what have you because that's incredibly invaluable to being a good line pilot and mentor, but to do it perpetually to the point when one thing ends you find another off line job asap?
06-24-2015 | 05:35 AM
#9916
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Joined: Jun 2015
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Ftb......habit? Ambition? Money? Lifestyle?
Probably some measure of all of the above. Although if a group of individuals spent their entire airline career doing something other than in a cockpit it would be reasonable to expect they would become reasonably competent at the alternative activity.
Probably some measure of all of the above. Although if a group of individuals spent their entire airline career doing something other than in a cockpit it would be reasonable to expect they would become reasonably competent at the alternative activity.
06-24-2015 | 05:41 AM
#9917
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From: Light Chop
Average Line Value” (ALV) means a number of hours established by the Company that is the projected average of all regular line values, for a particular position, for a particular bid period.
Determining the ALV
The company uses a woman named Bateye who lives in Baton Rouge Louisianan near Tiger Stadium to spread chicken wings on the floor, poor dust on them, read what they say and call back to Crew Planning to give the numbers for each category. At other times, the ALV is used to manage staffing requirements and make seasonal adjustments to flying hours.
• For each bid period, the company sets the ALV for each position (e.g. 7ER Captain). It must be within the range of 72 to 82 hours. • The published ALV is the same for all pilots in a position regardless of base.
• The ALV is published in the monthly bid package and several different locations including the Flight Operations webpage under “Pilot Resources and Scheduling” and the PBS info tab.
Line Construction Window (LCW)
• The LCW is published in PBS as part of the monthly bidding process.
• A regular pilot’s PBS bid award must fall within a range of plus or minus 7-1/2 hours of the ALV but no lower than 65 hours (e.g., If the ALV= 75 hours, the LCW = 67.5 hours to 82.5 hours.)
• This 15-hour range, centered on the ALV, represents the minimum and maximum credit hours for purposes of PBS line construction.
• Any known absences and their associated value (vacation, CQ training, military leave, etc.) in a bid period will be included in a pilots credit for line construction purposes.
• A pilot may have an expanded LCW if a block hour limit (BHL) exists (only expanded on the lower). More information on this restriction will be provided in a future TWG Notepad.
• If a regular line cannot be built within the LCW with the remaining pairings, a pilot will be awarded a reserve line.
Target Line Value (TLV) • The ALV is published in the monthly bid package and several different locations including the Flight Operations webpage under “Pilot Resources and Scheduling” and the PBS info tab.
Line Construction Window (LCW)
• The LCW is published in PBS as part of the monthly bidding process.
• A regular pilot’s PBS bid award must fall within a range of plus or minus 7-1/2 hours of the ALV but no lower than 65 hours (e.g., If the ALV= 75 hours, the LCW = 67.5 hours to 82.5 hours.)
• This 15-hour range, centered on the ALV, represents the minimum and maximum credit hours for purposes of PBS line construction.
• Any known absences and their associated value (vacation, CQ training, military leave, etc.) in a bid period will be included in a pilots credit for line construction purposes.
• A pilot may have an expanded LCW if a block hour limit (BHL) exists (only expanded on the lower). More information on this restriction will be provided in a future TWG Notepad.
• If a regular line cannot be built within the LCW with the remaining pairings, a pilot will be awarded a reserve line.
The TLV of a position will be between 74 and 79 hours (inclusive) in a rolling 12 month period. This TLV requirement is used to determine minimum contractual staffing levels.
Uses Of Average Line Value
The ALV is used in many different areas of the Delta PWA that affect bidding, schedule changes and pay related functions. The following describes some of the ways that ALV is used throughout the contract. Future TWG Notepads will have a more detailed explanation of each of these ALV related items.
• A pilot will not be awarded a white slip or yellow slip if the credit of the rotation would cause his projection to exceed the ALV plus 15 hours. o Example: ALV= 80 hours. A pilot may white/yellow slip up to 95 hours in this bid period.
• The green slip trigger (when double pay, no credit is applied) is based on the ALV or 75 hours, whichever is less.
• A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV
• A reserve pilot can only be awarded a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV by submitting a yellow or green slip.
• Many full service bank transactions are based on the ALV
• Many areas of the PWA discuss a “Pro-rata” portion of the ALV o This is defined as 1/30 or 1/31 of the ALV (depending on the length of the bid period) and is used for both pay and hours calculations in several other areas of the PWA.
• The green slip trigger (when double pay, no credit is applied) is based on the ALV or 75 hours, whichever is less.
• A reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV
• A reserve pilot can only be awarded a rotation that will cause his credit to exceed the ALV by submitting a yellow or green slip.
• Many full service bank transactions are based on the ALV
• Many areas of the PWA discuss a “Pro-rata” portion of the ALV o This is defined as 1/30 or 1/31 of the ALV (depending on the length of the bid period) and is used for both pay and hours calculations in several other areas of the PWA.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 06-24-2015 at 05:54 AM.
06-24-2015 | 05:42 AM
#9918
veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
Ftb......habit? Ambition? Money? Lifestyle?
Probably some measure of all of the above. Although if a group of individuals spent their entire airline career doing something other than in a cockpit it would be reasonable to expect they would become reasonably competent at the alternative activity.
Probably some measure of all of the above. Although if a group of individuals spent their entire airline career doing something other than in a cockpit it would be reasonable to expect they would become reasonably competent at the alternative activity.
Happens on the regional side too. From hired at ASA to CPO to hired at Delta to CPO.
06-24-2015 | 06:02 AM
#9919
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Oct 2010
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From: Decoupled
Once in awhile I fly with a Captain who says "oh I knew [name] back when we were in the [branch of the military] and it was the same back then. He went to a desk job as soon as he could. And then he got hired here and did the same thing."
Happens on the regional side too. From hired at ASA to CPO to hired at Delta to CPO.
Happens on the regional side too. From hired at ASA to CPO to hired at Delta to CPO.
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