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06-24-2015 | 08:57 AM

#9931

texavia

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Originally Posted by orvil

We all know guys like this. For some reason, they don't like to fly. Or, they are afraid to fly. They gravitate to either office duties or union work where flying is rarely required. The term "Field Grade Moon" is as old as aviation.

What perzactly "Field Grade Moon" mean?

06-24-2015 | 09:00 AM

#9932

qball

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From: Cockpit speaker volume knob set to eleven.

Quote:

Originally Posted by texavia

What perzactly "Field Grade Moon" mean?

Make night just like day for professional desk drivers. Gotta keep that night currency.

06-24-2015 | 09:03 AM

#9933

forgot to bid

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Originally Posted by qball

Let's look at the bright side. If this POS gets passed, the next TA DALPA comes up with will probably make this one look like the gold standard.

That's true.

Makes me want to ask a question, is this the last time we are going to increase how many 76 seaters can be outsourced?

Just to get it on record.

06-24-2015 | 09:42 AM

#9934

pilotc90a

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

That's true.

Makes me want to ask a question, is this the last time we are going to increase how many 76 seaters can be outsourced?

Just to get it on record.

There is no upper limit on the number of concessions our union can buy with 8%! in just 12 short years, Delta will have by far the highest pay rate of any airline, because the outsourced them all!

one of the worst things about this contract is it only last three years. I am in no mood to give more of our contract away in 2 yrs 6 months...

06-24-2015 | 10:08 AM

#9935

MrBojangles

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I was really hoping we would get a 5:15 calendar day pay for all those 30 day layover 3 days where you fly 8 hrs day one and 7:45 on day 3..that's what the previous poster is talking about. then we'd be getting over 20 hours pay

06-24-2015 | 10:34 AM

#9936

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwanker

Say you have a 3 day as follows:

8 hours block
0 hours block
6 hours block

You get 15:45 pay

If we had 4:45 min day you'd see 8 + 4:45 + 6 = 18:45

Or you would see new rotations built the month it goes in to effect that are 6 hours block, 4:45 block, 5 block for 15:45 pay. The rotations will change based on the rules in place at the time they are built. Remember the changes that happened when FAR 117 went into effect? I would expect any amount of daily guarantee to also have an impact.

I kind of like the trips with 7 hours block day 1, long layover on day 2 and 7 hours on day 3. They are especially nice when they are hometown layovers. A daily guarantee would make them all but disappear.

06-24-2015 | 10:36 AM

#9937

redship

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

Or you would see new rotations built the month it goes in to effect that are 6 hours block, 4:45 block, 5 block for 15:45 pay.

Great! Less work and same pay. Sounds good to me.

Actually I think the pay would be higher in this example. 6+5:15+5:15=16:30

Last edited by redship; 06-24-2015 at 10:47 AM.

06-24-2015 | 10:39 AM

#9938

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

At that point they would not build rotations like that. Rotations are built to the work rules. Trying to build work rules to the rotations is a exercise in futility.

06-24-2015 | 10:41 AM

#9939

UGBSM

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Originally Posted by pilotc90a

one of the worst things about this contract is it only last three years. I am in no mood to give more of our contract away in 2 yrs 6 months...

In an upward pattern bargaining environment a shorter contract is better than longer. Standard contracts used to be four years. So only three years is a plus IMO.

Presumably we may have a chance to pattern after SWA and FDX and UPS if we turn this TA down. They make a big deal of these other airlines not having an agreement yet, but also don't mention that it is usually best to be last in line when negotiating raises. So it could actually behoove us to wait.

Unless you believe that there is little upside to waiting for the industry to top out before you set "industry leading" rates.

06-24-2015 | 10:59 AM

#9940

hockeypilot44

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Originally Posted by UGBSM

The no voters aren't voting no because of the money. The money is grossly inadequate, but the TVM thing can balance it out once you accept that the bankruptcy cuts were permanent. The company didn't borrow our money. We gave it to them or bought our jobs if you want to look at it that way. The pilots are voting no because of the sick leave, JV, and with-holding trips from first officers.