Do not vote Joe Thomas for C44
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Yes, but it was a very poor solution wisely rejected overwhelmingly by the Pilots.
If the company was only concerned with "abuse" but not also trying to dissuade Pilots from calling in sick at all, then why totally eliminate voluntary verification?
Example:
I get pneumonia and miss 12 days. I see a Dr twice times for this illness but can not verify it.
6 months later I catch a cold and miss 4 days. I do not see a Dr. for this.
Under this brilliant sick leave policy I now have to see a Dr. for a cold which I have never ever done. What a PITA!
The sick leave policy along with a few other gems in the TA were a total fail. You absolutely have the right to 100% disagree with me, but the vast majority of Delta Pilots do not see it your way.
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Last edited by Scoop; 10-10-2015 at 07:30 PM.
#65
The Company data? The data is what it is and clearly shoes a spike in sick leave in May '13 and '14 ( as the sick leave year is about to end ) and then use drops dramatically in June '13 and '14 ( the first month of the new sick year ). No other pair of months come remotely close to such changes, even at the height of the flu seasons. If not abuse, why the spike at the end of the sick leave year?
Could be the "May Bug"?
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Yes, but it was a very poor solution wisely rejected overwhelmingly by the Pilots.
If the company was only concerned with "abuse" but not also trying to dissuade Pilots from calling in sick at all, then why totally eliminate voluntary verification?
Example:
I get pneumonia and miss 12 days. I see a Dr twice times for this illness but can not verify it.
6 months later I catch a cold and miss 4 days. I do not see a Dr. for this.
Under this brilliant sick leave policy I know have to see a Dr. for a cold which I have never ever done. What a PITA!
The sick leave policy along with a few other gems in the TA were a total fail. You absolutely have the right to 100% disagree with me, but the vast majority of Delta Pilots do not see it your way.
Scoop
If the company was only concerned with "abuse" but not also trying to dissuade Pilots from calling in sick at all, then why totally eliminate voluntary verification?
Example:
I get pneumonia and miss 12 days. I see a Dr twice times for this illness but can not verify it.
6 months later I catch a cold and miss 4 days. I do not see a Dr. for this.
Under this brilliant sick leave policy I know have to see a Dr. for a cold which I have never ever done. What a PITA!
The sick leave policy along with a few other gems in the TA were a total fail. You absolutely have the right to 100% disagree with me, but the vast majority of Delta Pilots do not see it your way.
Scoop
As far as the PITA factor, the people to get angry at are the members who abuse sick leave and drive the creation of policies to stem it.
#67
Or just maybe one could be angry with a management that bought another airline, hosed 4,000 pilots out of an earned sick bank benefit, and naively thought that they would play nice.
This sick leave "mess", that they want to fix, is a problem they created. I don't feel compelled to change/give up my time/forfeit my privacy to help them out.
I find the changes in C12 to be a PITA. I will not vote to make it worse.
#68
Since the data mining on sick leave doesn't prove a thing or we would have people in the office answering for it, lets work on solving a problem with real data that can't be disputed.
Pay rates are still 18% below pre-bankruptcy rate without inflation
Pay rates are 15% below AA
Delta has made record profits for years
Delta has rewarded all employees except pilots with pay well above pre-bankruptcy rates
Delta has paid down $10B in debt
Delta is returning $7+B to share holders
Delta has invested in 4 international airlines and continues to grow those holdings
There is a HUGE spike in bankruptcy abuse of a single work group. How would you address that to target the abusers? Solve my problem and I'll solve yours.
Pay rates are still 18% below pre-bankruptcy rate without inflation
Pay rates are 15% below AA
Delta has made record profits for years
Delta has rewarded all employees except pilots with pay well above pre-bankruptcy rates
Delta has paid down $10B in debt
Delta is returning $7+B to share holders
Delta has invested in 4 international airlines and continues to grow those holdings
There is a HUGE spike in bankruptcy abuse of a single work group. How would you address that to target the abusers? Solve my problem and I'll solve yours.
Last edited by notEnuf; 10-10-2015 at 05:26 PM. Reason: trying to watch football and reply on APC don't mix
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Or just maybe one could be angry with a management that bought another airline, hosed 4,000 pilots out of an earned sick bank benefit, and naively thought that they would play nice.
This sick leave "mess", that they want to fix, is a problem they created. I don't feel compelled to change/give up my time/forfeit my privacy to help them out.
I find the changes in C12 to be a PITA. I will not vote to make it worse.
This sick leave "mess", that they want to fix, is a problem they created. I don't feel compelled to change/give up my time/forfeit my privacy to help them out.
I find the changes in C12 to be a PITA. I will not vote to make it worse.
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