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Old 05-28-2016 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
That's the Moak way of thinking. You've been brainwashed.
The union has collaborated with management in their use of the RLA to control pilot activism.
Moak's DALPA loved that injunction we got slapped with after the 49er incident. It was useful for them.

Those days are over.

The corporation is drowning in cash. They are struggling to figure out what to do with it all. Everybody is getting paid except us. Management is accumulating fabulous wealth. They are pocketing every dime of what used to be our pensions.

If we don't have a contract soon there will be consequences.
There are plenty of perfectly legal things we can do to express our displeasure.

Informational picketing is only step 1.
Step 2 is a hard-nosed communication effort. We need to call "Bu||$hit" every time Dickson or some other management drone sends out a memo encouraging us to work harder so they can win a JD Power Award and pump the stock so they can get even richer.

Then we need to put out a detailed handout to every non-contract employee explaining what just happened to their profit sharing and how that sweet 14% raise just might turn out to have been a pay CUT.
etc.
etc.
Step 10 is an all out effort to unionize every employee on this property.
Starting with the flight attendants.
Brainwashed? Funny post. More like "living in the real world." That ain't always the case on message boards.

Nevertheless many of your subsequent points were valid, and I'll leave it at that. Just don't think we can engage in any withholding of service until explicitly directed to.
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Old 05-29-2016 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Step 10 is an all out effort to unionize every employee on this property.
Starting with the flight attendants.
Not with my dues money. You want to donate to that cause have at it.
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Old 05-29-2016 | 07:04 AM
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Old 05-29-2016 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Not with my dues money. You want to donate to that cause have at it.
Unfortunately you don't get to decide where your dues money goes, WE do as in the leadership and the group as a whole. Unless I get a refund of the $1.7M BS sales job or the special committee expenses, you're out of luck. And even if that was the case.... take a number..... now serving #0.

Get comfortable with the loss of control, its going to be awhile.
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Old 05-29-2016 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Un fortunately you don't get to decide where your dues money goes, WE do as in the leadership and the group as a whole. Unless I get a refund of the $1.7M BS sales job or the special committee expenses, you're out of luck. And even if that was the case.... take a number..... now serving #0.

Get comfortable with the loss of control, its going to be awhile.
True that. Is using dues money for organizing other non-ALPA groups even legal? I certainly hope not.
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Old 05-29-2016 | 07:22 AM
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Well now....... seeing as the vast majority of our 'dues' money is spent on everything BUT our council, your complaints are a little late to the party.

National is relatively unencumbered with restrictions on spending. They spend dues on car allowances, housing allowances, pensions, political activities, social activities, and you wonder if spending some of that money on helping another AFL-CIO affiliate in a representation effort would be illegal?
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Old 05-29-2016 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
True that. Is using dues money for organizing other non-ALPA groups even legal? I certainly hope not.
I'm not sure. But then I'm a skeptic and I think a lot of what is done in the name of politics isn't exactly legal. The problem is its not discovered in time or the information isn't widely disseminated.

Or its just immoral. Like our fearless leaders' (both ALPA and Delta) compensation packages and fully funded retirements when the average dues payer/worker has neither.

This is very hypocritical in my view, but who am I?

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Old 05-29-2016 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I'm not sure. But then I'm a skeptic and I think a lot of what is done in the name of politics isn't exactly legal. The problem is its not discovered in time or the information isn't widely disseminated.

Or its just immoral. Like our fearless leaders' (both ALPA and Delta) compensation packages and fully funded retirements when the average dues payer/worker has neither.

This is very hypocritical in my view, but who am I?

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We are all along for the ride my friend. I have but one vote. All of these "discussions" are merely that. discussions.
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Old 05-29-2016 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
Well now....... seeing as the vast majority of our 'dues' money is spent on everything BUT our council, your complaints are a little late to the party.

National is relatively unencumbered with restrictions on spending. They spend dues on car allowances, housing allowances, pensions, political activities, social activities, and you wonder if spending some of that money on helping another AFL-CIO affiliate in a representation effort would be illegal?
As long as there is no assessment for that kind of thing, I couldn't care less. Is it a waste of money? Probably. I will vote unequivocally vote no on anything that contains a provision to assess our membership to organize the FAs. ymmv.
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Old 05-29-2016 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Not with my dues money. You want to donate to that cause have at it.
Your money is already used to unionize employees from all walks of life. Where do you think the portion of your dues that goes to ALPA Int goes? Or how about the portion of your dues that goes to the AFL-CIO?
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