NWA 1998 Strike Strategy
04-24-2016 | 10:18 PM
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You are the problem. You've been voted off the island. Tough to take. The company paid down 10 billion in debt and bought back 5 billion is stock. Just about overnight.
You're 15% behind 12 year old pay rates with no retirement. Wait for what? Our CEO makes 20 million a year, our fellow employees received a historic pay raise and have been restored. Let's keep waiting. For what, more historic profits?
Can't keep waiting or time will pass you by. The past practice of appeasement has left us way behind. Your post reveals a lot, we can't be paid more than XYZ because it will hurt the company. That mentality is part of the Stockholm Syndrome Dalpa embraced. Dalpa thinks they're quasi management, part of the solution, only to be played like a fool. Or maybe Dalpa is comfortable with FPL and the status quo.
In any event, you a now part of the minority position. Whether we win or fail, the majority of the pilots you fly with, the guys in the fox hole, the pilots in the seat next to you, mostly disagree with the old way of doing things. They disagree with you.
You're 15% behind 12 year old pay rates with no retirement. Wait for what? Our CEO makes 20 million a year, our fellow employees received a historic pay raise and have been restored. Let's keep waiting. For what, more historic profits?
Can't keep waiting or time will pass you by. The past practice of appeasement has left us way behind. Your post reveals a lot, we can't be paid more than XYZ because it will hurt the company. That mentality is part of the Stockholm Syndrome Dalpa embraced. Dalpa thinks they're quasi management, part of the solution, only to be played like a fool. Or maybe Dalpa is comfortable with FPL and the status quo.
In any event, you a now part of the minority position. Whether we win or fail, the majority of the pilots you fly with, the guys in the fox hole, the pilots in the seat next to you, mostly disagree with the old way of doing things. They disagree with you.
You can cave. I will wait.
04-24-2016 | 10:25 PM
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Not bragging at all...GMAFB. You obviously don't understand why 65% of the entire pilot group voted "NO". Let me explain. It wasn't for the loss of one QOL item, or even two. It was the loss of multiple QOL items without even the courtesy of a "reach around" in return!! (So-to-speak, for all you PC wheanies out there.)
Honestly, I don't expect or hope this remains in the next contract either!!
But I sure as heck hope that if they take it away from us next time, they at least give us something for it other than a quick kiss on the cheek while stealing our wife/girlfriend at the same time!!#I_might_be_easy,_but_I_ain't_cheap!
04-25-2016 | 03:19 AM
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the reality is we are in a negotiating environment that no other labor group has ever been in, ever. Our profit sharing has essentially forced everyone to scramble to write new pages to the negotiating playbook. Both sides have to adjust to this never before seen environment. I just had this discussion today with a fellow pilot, that this might be the only time in history that as we continue to build profits and negotiate a new contract, our pay continues to increase through record profit sharing. Its a beautiful insurance policy.
Is there opportunity cost while we await a new contract? It depends. If we were talking about a simple contract extension like United, we would have a contract by now, very easily. However, the company still wants concessions from us in several areas. That is not acceptable to us in this negotiating environment. So is there opportunity cost while we await a new contract? It's not clear. But we will be ok.
Is there opportunity cost while we await a new contract? It depends. If we were talking about a simple contract extension like United, we would have a contract by now, very easily. However, the company still wants concessions from us in several areas. That is not acceptable to us in this negotiating environment. So is there opportunity cost while we await a new contract? It's not clear. But we will be ok.
04-25-2016 | 03:26 AM
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Me too!😜 Good on ya Elliott! Im all for keeping that work rule in place. Temporary relief maybe, weak maybe. But, it has to protect the bidding rights of the seniority of the pilots.
04-25-2016 | 04:54 AM
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So you propose we cave to the company to get a contract done now? That's what I am getting from your post. If we want the contract to be even close to our opener it's going to take time. I did not make a single post about what we should be paid. I simply pointed out that the UAL contract extension does not give us leverage for a quick contract.
You can cave. I will wait.
You can cave. I will wait.
04-25-2016 | 06:42 AM
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That's fine. That's your opinion. I'll bet you I am not alone in the perception that it is.
And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.
And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.
04-25-2016 | 07:01 AM
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That's fine. That's your opinion. I'll bet you I am not alone in the perception that it is.
And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.
And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.
It's not wrong, it is extremely smart.
What is wrong is our executives compensation sky rocking while the Delta pilots bankruptcy concessions remain in place.
Who's side are you on?
04-25-2016 | 07:02 AM
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That's fine. That's your opinion. I'll bet you I am not alone in the perception that it is.
And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.
And I said nothing about not exploiting the contract. But when FOs are making more money than captains on a regular basis, there is something wrong with the contract. The occasional great month is one thing, but he said he regularly pulls down those kind of hours. That's wrong.
The majority of us don't see the return in the company's position. 22% and DC should have been immediate. Profits are piling up. They have run out of ideas on how to spend the money. Prince is being honored for crying in a bucket.
04-25-2016 | 07:08 AM
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there is always the option for captains to down bid I guess.....its done I am sure.
with pbs.....seniority is king. I have no heartburn with fo's making 200hrs a month....given what has been taken from this group....and the reality of zero seat advancement over the last decade?
why would I have any heartburn about it? I just flew with an fo who told me he averages 180 hrs/month in pay. First...he is working his azzoff to make that happen....and looked it.
second....he is a year older.....and thousands of numbers junior to me.....his phoney baloney pbgc, note, claim, and furlough adds up to a big fat poke in the eye with a sharp stick.....am I supposed to begrudge him the small opportunity he has created to try and assemble some kind of retirement security?
btw....did you hear about the 330A that made $700K last year? Im pretty sure there are those fo's who don't find the crack in the system to get 200 hrs a month would say there is something wrong with that too.
me? im looking to bid the 330A
with pbs.....seniority is king. I have no heartburn with fo's making 200hrs a month....given what has been taken from this group....and the reality of zero seat advancement over the last decade?
why would I have any heartburn about it? I just flew with an fo who told me he averages 180 hrs/month in pay. First...he is working his azzoff to make that happen....and looked it.
second....he is a year older.....and thousands of numbers junior to me.....his phoney baloney pbgc, note, claim, and furlough adds up to a big fat poke in the eye with a sharp stick.....am I supposed to begrudge him the small opportunity he has created to try and assemble some kind of retirement security?
btw....did you hear about the 330A that made $700K last year? Im pretty sure there are those fo's who don't find the crack in the system to get 200 hrs a month would say there is something wrong with that too.
me? im looking to bid the 330A
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