65% to Delta...why so low?

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06-15-2017 | 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Casualinterest

The sad thing is, I've flown with a lot of guys who I would say were absolutely fantastic pilots, excellent leaders, and/or decent human beings that were turned down. Delta can have their reasons, but my problem is that they don't tell you what the reason is. So you have no idea what it is that turned them off or how you can improve for interviews with other companies. Most CA's with the double no are also very professional and simply resigned to their fate. It's depressing to watch.

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Why would they not apply at other airlines?

06-15-2017 | 12:06 PM

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While this entirely true, you can't help but laugh at the absurdity of Delta telling an Endeavor pilot that they are not quite qualified to fly Delta passengers on Delta airplanes... so please go back to Endeavor and fly Delta passengers on Delta airplanes.

If a company has more fully qualified applicants than they have job openings, some of them must be "passed over". A CP once told me that everybody HR sent in to his office for an interview was fully qualified, so from that group he picked "the ones I would most enjoy sitting next to for four days."

06-15-2017 | 12:06 PM

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A lot of guys and I mean a lot I've heard just showed up without preparing at all, poorly fitting suits, unorganized paperwork, just thinking they'll be handed a job like they did at a regional.

06-15-2017 | 12:26 PM

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This is the problem with the 2 class system set up by ALPA and the mainline. DAL had jobs available for all pilots to flow into DAL after the buyout but mearly because of unequal treatment between mainlines and regionals a mainlines job gets protected like NWA and Western Airlines pilots but a regional will not. It's OK to lower regional pilots pay for higher pay and profit sharing mainline (like giving up scope) but not give equal status for the same work performed.

06-15-2017 | 12:26 PM

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That was the old days, now they have to primarily worry about how pilots would act in a youtube video.

06-15-2017 | 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bornflying

I was wondering what everyone's opinion is on why only 65% of Endeavor pilots who interview with Delta get hired. This is worryingly low. Anyone hear first hand from someone who *didn't* get hired and why they think they weren't? Conversely, anyone hear of someone who was hired and why they think they were?

In a normal situation Delta scores applications and then invites applicants based on those scores to interview. Since this process has been circumvented by the SSP unfortunately, under-scoring applicants are weeded out at the interview portion of the process.

06-15-2017 | 01:16 PM

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That's exactly it and the thing none of the complainers understand. The "off-the-street" interview success rate for delta is only around 68% to begin with and that's for people with resumes good enough to get a call out of the thousands of applications they have on file. Since the SSP/DGI interview is guaranteed, people with poor resumes and qualifications who never would have gotten an interview are behind the eight ball to begin the interview because they're much less qualified (in delta's eyes by their process) than everybody else there. It's therefore natural that endeavor's interview success rate is lower.

06-15-2017 | 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Singlemalt65

This is exactly why I am confused. There should be no better candidate out there then someone who has been flying Delta passengers on Delta airplanes as you say... and add to that using Delta procedures. I'm not upset really, I haven't even started yet. But it seems pretty absurd that Delta would hire candidates from other regionals or from military-only backgrounds over Endeavor pilots. Perhaps that will change with DGI. Perhaps the next contract will bring a more defined flow-through as the union has stated they are trying to do.

06-15-2017 | 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bornflying

There should be no better candidate out there then someone who has been flying Delta passengers on Delta airplanes as you say... and add to that using Delta procedures. I'm not upset really, I haven't even started yet. But it seems pretty absurd that Delta would hire candidates from other regionals or from military-only backgrounds over Endeavor pilots.

Delta is a strange animal. I personally have seen some great, and some truly awful people go there. It seems they have a prejudicial system of turning away those of us who have dedicated decades to their bottom line, all in favor of (more recently) some questionable candidates, none of whom had PIC time in anything but a Piper.

I think they have already outrun their coverage in that there will be a significant dearth of quality pilots soon; the overlooked ones having moved on to LCCs, other legacies, or overseas employers in the next few years.

Judging by the have-a-pulse-get-hired 'pilots' the regionals have been aquiring in the last few years, DL may find themselves up shh* creek sooner than later. Anecdotal evidence pointing to just a few thousand apps on file. Just my opinion. Cheers--

06-15-2017 | 09:56 PM

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What is the source of your info? And what is "a lot and I mean a lot"?

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Originally Posted by prex8390

A lot of guys and I mean a lot I've heard just showed up without preparing at all, poorly fitting suits, unorganized paperwork, just thinking they'll be handed a job like they did at a regional.

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