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Old 05-25-2018, 02:36 PM
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All the American crashes attributed to wholly-owned pilot flows we're extensively covered on FOX news.
...then CNN blamed them all on Trump and GW.
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Old 05-25-2018, 02:46 PM
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May I suggest you spell and grammar check your Delta App before you publish it? I think they’re looking for a bit more attention to detail than this...
May I suggest reply to my comment and stay on subject and not being a english professor here.
DGI will not gurantee a job to you there still will be a lot of failures, why becouse of speling *******k no, becouse thats what Delta does, how many good people they failed that flown 10, 20 years, but delta says well lets hire dadys captain 23 year old just becouse he has daddy here, so leave this bs DGI to your self and good luck with it
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Old 05-25-2018, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles View Post
Why you guys keep justifying our guys not having a better path to Delta, I'll never know. Keep making excuses for the company and fighting against us. Your true colors are showing through.

Not a single pilot here should be advocating for the company.
You do have a better path to Delta. You have the best path. And, since you know the Delta way, the interview should be easy. You have the best pay in the country. You have the fastest route to Delta and the best travel benefits. You aren't getting a staple or a flow. That just isn't happening. So, yes, you'll have to prepare like everyone else.
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Old 05-25-2018, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mak2018 View Post
May I suggest reply to my comment and stay on subject and not being a english professor here.
DGI will not gurantee a job to you there still will be a lot of failures, why becouse of speling *******k no, becouse thats what Delta does, how many good people they failed that flown 10, 20 years, but delta says well lets hire dadys captain 23 year old just becouse he has daddy here, so leave this bs DGI to your self and good luck with it
15 years ago legacies were given a interview if they met the hiring standards. That program is long dead and they get zero priority. I am not the best speller but I assume your post was a spoof on the spelling issue. If not than heed the advice to get help.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:25 PM
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I'm happy to see definition to given to the DGI.

I'm happy to see all of the improvements to what was promised.

I'm concerned about the math.

Roughly 1900 pilots on the last seniority list, approximately 600 of those were eligible for the SSP and the other 1300 weren't.

Using the math they just gave us (24 interviews per month with 25% allocated to SSP (6 per month) and 75% to non-SSP (18 per month)) it will take 6 years for the non-SSP's (72 months) and 8 years (100 months)for SSP pilots to interview. That's assuming everyone participates (which probably they won't but worst case).

That will fill a pool that will move 33% (or 180) whichever is lesser to Delta. Let's just assume it moves 180 per year (probably best case) 1900 pilots / 180 per year = 10 years to move for the most junior pilot .

Better than nothing? Absolutely. Even with the improvements, still not terrific.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 View Post
I'm happy to see definition to given to the DGI.

I'm happy to see all of the improvements to what was promised.

I'm concerned about the math.

Roughly 1900 pilots on the last seniority list, approximately 600 of those were eligible for the SSP and the other 1300 weren't.

Using the math they just gave us (24 interviews per month with 25% allocated to SSP (6 per month) and 75% to non-SSP (18 per month)) it will take 6 years for the non-SSP's (72 months) and 8 years (100 months)for SSP pilots to interview. That's assuming everyone participates (which probably they won't but worst case).

That will fill a pool that will move 33% (or 180) whichever is lesser to Delta. Let's just assume it moves 180 per year (probably best case) 1900 pilots / 180 per year = 10 years to move for the most junior pilot .

Better than nothing? Absolutely. Even with the improvements, still not terrific.
It will be quicker than 10 years, maybe 4.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
It will be quicker than 10 years, maybe 4.
Maybe. Probably a good bit of the SSP pilots won't participate again. I'd guess the top 300 here are "lifers" (no stigma from me attached to that, if I were close to retirement I DEFINITELY wouldn't want to start over)

Will Delta take more than 180 voluntarily? Perhaps. Only time will tell.

You might be right, sounds like a wild guess unless you did some back of the envelope math to get there.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mak2018 View Post
So much for carrier progression still requred to do all test and requrements apply as if you would come from a street, no diffrence at all,
Thanks delta for nothing
I dont think this is true proggression
I think they want you guys to at least be able to spell. Doesn’t matter how bad or good you fly a plane.
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 View Post
I'm happy to see definition to given to the DGI.

I'm happy to see all of the improvements to what was promised.

I'm concerned about the math.

Roughly 1900 pilots on the last seniority list, approximately 600 of those were eligible for the SSP and the other 1300 weren't.

Using the math they just gave us (24 interviews per month with 25% allocated to SSP (6 per month) and 75% to non-SSP (18 per month)) it will take 6 years for the non-SSP's (72 months) and 8 years (100 months)for SSP pilots to interview. That's assuming everyone participates (which probably they won't but worst case).

That will fill a pool that will move 33% (or 180) whichever is lesser to Delta. Let's just assume it moves 180 per year (probably best case) 1900 pilots / 180 per year = 10 years to move for the most junior pilot .

Better than nothing? Absolutely. Even with the improvements, still not terrific.
I’m confused as well. My interpretation is that if the program were to somehow have a 100% success rate with full participation amongst both groups with everyone upgrading in seniority order, the most junior pilot will move to Delta at the rate of 1200/(.75x180/year), or 9 years. On the other hand, if only 15 of the 24 pilots interviewed a month get the CJO (equal success between SSP and DGI), the most junior pilot would go in 5.5 year. As I really cannot see everyone getting an offer, I think the number will be closer to the latter, but much lower for a FO who hustles building time and upgrades at the earliest opportunity, since that’s what sets the clock. Additionally, there will be attrition outside of the DGI, both to Delta and other carriers. I am guessing the overall time to get to Delta after upgrade will be 2-2.5 years.
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:29 PM
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Sir, it is not just your spelling, but your grammar and sentence structure. You wouldn’t make it thru an entire interview at most any professional job if you talk in person like you are allowing yourself to come across here. Not trying to bring you down, but I hope you realize what is required to present yourself professionally in an interview.

As to complaining about the DGI, you can. Or you could just take what is offered, prepare your best for it, and try to knock it out of the park at interview time. Sitting around and whining about how unfair it is that you have to work hard for the job of a lifetime (as everyone else has to) will get you nowhere in life.

To the rest of you at EDV, congrats on the DGI info coming out now. May you all prepare well, move on soon, and look fondly upon your time at EDV as you do the same thing for a much more livable wage. Greasy side down!

Originally Posted by Mak2018 View Post
May I suggest reply to my comment and stay on subject and not being a english professor here.
DGI will not gurantee a job to you there still will be a lot of failures, why becouse of speling *******k no, becouse thats what Delta does, how many good people they failed that flown 10, 20 years, but delta says well lets hire dadys captain 23 year old just becouse he has daddy here, so leave this bs DGI to your self and good luck with it
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