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Old 04-14-2017, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen View Post
Who cares what Delta cares about this week? Delta didn't care about hats or uniforms​ when they negotiated the bankruptcy contract, and they had us over a barrel. From everything I've seen they still don't. Endeavor and Guum in particular want that stupid hat on so he doesn't have to hear about it every time he goes to Atlanta.

The hats are always up for sale gojo. But Delta isn't going to give you a dollar to do it. It's your call more than it is mine, but if I was staying screw the hat unless they want to pay.
Well it's not like they're asking us to wear a pink tutu or something gross. It's just a damn hat. And I probably hate hats more than everybody here. It just seems to me that there are more important things to worry about
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Old 04-14-2017, 08:44 PM
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Well it's not like they're asking us to wear a pink tutu or something gross. It's just a damn hat. And I probably hate hats more than everybody here. It just seems to me that there are more important things to worry about
Some of us always suspected that the real purpose of hats was to serve as a disgrunt-o-meter. As long as pilots were beefing about hats, Management knew that there weren't any real problems to address.
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Old 04-14-2017, 08:45 PM
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Jet blast could blow the hat off the FO's head into a ramper and incapacitate them. They're a safety issue we just can't risk.
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Old 04-15-2017, 03:17 AM
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Jet blast could blow the hat off the FO's head into a ramper and incapacitate them. They're a safety issue we just can't risk.


You don't wear the hat on a walk around. FOD.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:28 AM
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You don't wear the hat on a walk around. FOD.
I got the idea he may have been joking. The emblem is huuuge though, maybe it could take out out a ramper.
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Old 04-15-2017, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen View Post
Who cares what Delta cares about this week? Delta didn't care about hats or uniforms​ when they negotiated the bankruptcy contract, and they had us over a barrel. From everything I've seen they still don't. Endeavor and Guum in particular want that stupid hat on so he doesn't have to hear about it every time he goes to Atlanta.

The hats are always up for sale gojo. But Delta isn't going to give you a dollar to do it. It's your call more than it is mine, but if I was staying screw the hat unless they want to pay.
Yes but you can also throw ALPA in with that with their merger policy that only complements mainline pilots. It should have been changed long ago that if a mainline buys a regional they will be stapled. Can someone explain if regional pilots are not a threat to a mainline pilots job or position then why is it we cannot have equal treatment across the board? Would Delta still have done what they did?
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Old 04-15-2017, 06:35 AM
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So aw shucks Ed and his slew foot half brother Gil finally come out to the press.. "We let you down"... you have some pronoun trouble Ed... "YOU" let everyone down... while you were at the Masters instead of inside the terminal dealing with stranded passengers yourself... and Gil ... "We promise a deep dive to find the root cause of the problem"... You and Eddie want to find the root cause of the problem.. Hold hands and go in the executive wash room together and look in the mirror.... Root Cause Found.. Don't like it??.. The truth hurts.... but hey.. $500 million in first quarter profit is what really matters... azzhat
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Old 04-15-2017, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jethikoki View Post
Yes but you can also throw ALPA in with that with their merger policy that only complements mainline pilots. It should have been changed long ago that if a mainline buys a regional they will be stapled. Can someone explain if regional pilots are not a threat to a mainline pilots job or position then why is it we cannot have equal treatment across the board? Would Delta still have done what they did?
Well, for one staples arent allowed under federal law, ever since AA raped TWA. That... wasn't very long ago, why don't you know what mccatskill-bond is?

Anyway, instead of asking "why not staple" or " why not zoidberg", ask "why not single seniority list" because they all have the same answer, a majority of pilots would vote against such proposals. ALPA is a group of loosely tied together local organizations.

ALPA and the pilots who run it have been locking down scope for a decade now on all contracts, however, regionals are seen as a stepping stone and in a corporate structure they are held as a subsidiary IF wholly owned. No union can negate legal corporate structure, and even if they could a Delta pilot knows an Endeavor or a Republic adds profit and stock value, and they'll be damned if they upset that apple cart.

In summary, pilot's don't want it, even if they did it would be illegal, even if they wanted it they'd have to endure relative category and class with fences and that would go over badly. Can you imagine a 12 delta captain junior to a 12 yr regional captain? Of course a regional would love it, but holy hell, the pilots would overwhelmingly decertify ALPA and create their own union which would hold the regional as a separate entity. Which is where we are now.

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Old 04-15-2017, 08:06 AM
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Well, for one staples arent allowed under federal law, ever since AA raped TWA. That... wasn't very long ago, why don't you know what mccatskill-bond is?

Anyway, instead of asking "why not staple" or " why not zoidberg", ask "why not single seniority list" because they all have the same answer, a majority of pilots would vote against such proposals. ALPA is a group of loosely tied together local organizations.

ALPA and the pilots who run it have been locking down scope for a decade now on all contracts, however, regionals are seen as a stepping stone and in a corporate structure they are held as a subsidiary IF wholly owned. No union can negate legal corporate structure, and even if they could a Delta pilot knows an Endeavor or a Republic adds profit and stock value, and they'll be damned if they upset that apple cart.

In summary, pilot's don't want it, even if they did it would be illegal, even if they wanted it they'd have to endure relative category and class with fences and that would go over badly. Can you imagine a 12 delta captain junior to a 12 yr regional captain? Of course a regional would love it, but holy hell, the pilots would overwhelmingly decertify ALPA and create their own union which would hold the regional as a separate entity. Which is where we are now.
Yes I do. To bad ALPA couldn't help TWA pilots. I think you should clarify. Mainline pilots don't want it to maintain status quo in their favor and contributes to abuse by management against regional pilots. If as you say it is not legal then have something like it as a direct flow. It would never be accepted or allowed at a mainline but you or ALPA accepts abusive practices as long as its done at a regional level. Or just give the same interview to all Endeavor pilots that NWA and Western pilots had for Delta.
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Old 04-15-2017, 08:22 AM
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Yes I do. To bad ALPA couldn't help TWA pilots. I think you should clarify. Mainline pilots don't want it to maintain status quo in their favor and contributes to abuse by management against regional pilots. If as you say it is not legal then have something like it as a direct flow. It would never be accepted or allowed at a mainline but you or ALPA accepts abusive practices as long as its done at a regional level. Or just give the same interview to all Endeavor pilots that NWA and Western pilots had for Delta.
Abuse of regional pilots? Have you seen what Delta did to it's mainline pilots? You're at work, youre there for abuse in exchange for a paycheck, and you can leave. You want Endeavor to get even better? Start leaving for an airline with a flow, you can always come back. Delta will choose to ignore endeavors further complaints as long as attrition is low (surprisingly low) and classes are half full or full.

Pilots have poured in here for the DGI, and there's only a promise with no contractual enforcement. You think you deserve more (and God bless) but you think you're deal at Endeavor is better than the American guys or you'd have left. All the brave pilots who were willing to leave for better opportunities and made life better for everyone at Endeavor by their choice and followthrough are gone. There's no one here to bail this pilot group out, except for the 3 or 4 guys a month going to United and American.

So, if it's that bad, leave. Otherwise, you made a choice to come here, try and make it better by getting those retention bonuses converted and making Endeavor and Delta put that DGI into the contract so they don't welch later. You obviously don't want a flow badly and staples are illegal. So complain about something more productive, like hot dogs coming in 8s and buns in 10...
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