Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
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Early punch outs are certainly occurring. As of last August, mainline's projected age 65 retirements for 2017 was 265. In the first three months I've moved up 100 numbers. That's on pace for 400 for the year or about 50% above the expected rate of 265.
It's starting get interesting real quick as you noted. Hang on for the ride!
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I think it could work. Your plan makes sense, and is essentially a flow. But that seems to be a sticking point in the craw of DL (at least for now).
The key to it is scraping off the top for DL, not the middle nor the bottom. We have folks here now who don't want to move on, and they would have to retire out for this plan to be effective. And then there's the group of pilots who already got the double no. What to do with them?
The key to it is scraping off the top for DL, not the middle nor the bottom. We have folks here now who don't want to move on, and they would have to retire out for this plan to be effective. And then there's the group of pilots who already got the double no. What to do with them?
As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.
There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.
At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.
No, I haven't gotten the no.
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In all seriousness what's the difference between a Delta pilot flying delta passengers and an Endeavor pilot flying Delta passengers? Obviously money and uniform but as far as the way the customers are treated, on time performance and getting the job done right , what's the difference?
As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.
There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.
At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.
No, I haven't gotten the no.
As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.
There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.
At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.
No, I haven't gotten the no.
I know one SSPer that's had 2 DUIs. Haha. Also, the majority of folks that got the double No didn't actually get a double NO. Only a few got that. Then they turned it into a "come back in 12 months if you can" not a true double NO but a perfect gray spot in which to defecate.
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In all seriousness what's the difference between a Delta pilot flying delta passengers and an Endeavor pilot flying Delta passengers? Obviously money and uniform but as far as the way the customers are treated, on time performance and getting the job done right , what's the difference?
As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.
There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.
At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.
No, I haven't gotten the no.
As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.
There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.
At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.
No, I haven't gotten the no.
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In all seriousness what's the difference between a Delta pilot flying delta passengers and an Endeavor pilot flying Delta passengers? Obviously money and uniform but as far as the way the customers are treated, on time performance and getting the job done right , what's the difference?
As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.
There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.
At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.
No, I haven't gotten the no.
As for pilots who got the double no, they are still flying Delta customers and some are Check Airmen and most are excellent Pilots. So they must be high quality Competent Pilots.
There are as many Pilots at Delta who have training failures, violations and some who were NW that were turned down by DL but they are still flying Delta Customers.
At the end of the day we all put our pants on the same way and No one is better than the other except in ones own mind.
No, I haven't gotten the no.
Last edited by JesuitValen; 04-15-2017 at 02:10 PM.
All this talk of flow, staple, defined path to DL, blah, blah....it means nothing. In a few years, assuming there is not a major war or economic meltdown, the majors and LCCs are going to have to absorb just about every regional and military pilot looking for employment who isn't a convicted ax murderer or previously committed mental patient. Regionals will fold and that 40-year experiment will be over....
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All this talk of flow, staple, defined path to DL, blah, blah....it means nothing. In a few years, assuming there is not a major war or economic meltdown, the majors and LCCs are going to have to absorb just about every regional and military pilot looking for employment who isn't a convicted ax murderer or previously committed mental patient. Regionals will fold and that 40-year experiment will be over....
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Right now, they say fly for us, but you're not really good enough to fly for us. I hope our recruiting falls flat and they can't staff this place until they give us REAL career progression.
I know one SSPer that's had 2 DUIs. Haha. Also, the majority of folks that got the double No didn't actually get a double NO. Only a few got that. Then they turned it into a "come back in 12 months if you can" not a true double NO but a perfect gray spot in which to defecate.
The speech goes like this:
"I'm not allowed to tell you anymore that we aren't going to hire you, but you can come back in 12 months and try again.
But be aware, you'll be going against fighter pilots and others with much better credentials than you.
United's hiring, and so is Southwest.
Thanks for coming."
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