Bar Harbor

Does anyone have experience on how long it takes to see the referral bonus after your peeps finish OE?


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mooney

I got one in 2-3 weeks after

24Whiskey

ATL Ramp: "When did you change from Skywest to Endeavor?

Regarding SSP: I hate to say it but I wonder if some of this is self-fulfilling prophecy. A mentality I've encountered is "meh, I'm probably not going to get it, so I'm just going to wing it."

I know this doesn't describe the majority but i think it's a growing feeling.

Skyhawk121

Does anyone know about how many people flow from Endeavor to mainline each month? I have heard people say that it basically doesn't happen, and others say that it happens all the time.

KSCessnaDriver

Zero, there is no flow...

pa28dakota

While some current SSPers are last minute, many are first time interviewees that are at the bottom of the SSP eligible list and have been patiently and eagerly waiting their turn. I know many worked really hard to prepare and still got the no. While I have some theories as to why the low pass rate may be happening more today than with the first groups of FOs, I will not voice many them here. But, back to the last minute guys. Wychor asked me personally why I waited so long for the SSP and seemed surprised when I said that it was my earliest opportunity. Could it be that that is how these last groups are being viewed regardless of it being there first opportunity? Who knows except those doing the vetting of us.

FreightWasScary

16 a month go to Delta from the (ssp) it's an interview process not a flow program.

JesuitValen

It sure would be interesting to see. My small time virw was when the ssp started (only for captains) it was an 100-80% fail, so stealing your logic the ones who showed up early were too quick to jump at chance? I'm not saying that to rile you but to try and use it the other way.

The excuse makers were here even for those wildly high failure rates. The one i heard most often was, "hey one guy brought in a stack of those little logbooks, i mean #whatdoyou expect #amirite?" And that one guys lack of giving a damn was transferred onto a whole group of pilots going for ssp. I knew that was crap, because for every story (made up or otherwise) there were 3 guys who we watched on overnights and in between legs studying reams of paper before there was a real gouge.

When this place was shutting the doors due to attritition the acceptance suddenly jumped. It jumped around a little bit afterwards but it remained at something akin to a coin toss average, and the company touted its success, only focusing on current month numbers, forgetting about the senior guys who took the bullet.

Even that might be bad correlation. We suddenly had real full classes and needed more to make up the lost ground for earlier in the year, and the ssp numbers were getting bad. But now the hiring drops and attrition jumps a little and the ssp number stayed the same. The ssp was used as a sales pitch here to keep FOs from leaving for psa.

One thing is for sure, for delta to ever give a flow now, they'd have to eat their own words. Theyve only done that once since ive been here and it had to get very very bad. We aint there yet.

failed

So the reserve rules are industry standard but they use you on ready more than average so not really. They're not the worst reserve rules but they sure aren't the best. Last cumulative numbers I saw were below 60% maybe it improved but with months like October I find that difficult to believe.

Of course the non rev benefits are the best out of any DCI carrier since Endeavor is the only wholly owned. Compare them to the AA wholly owned, that's a better comparison. Over there I believe priority is based upon checkin time plus various other benefits that blow Endeavor pass travel out of the water. I mean Endeavor guys and gals have to worry about getting bumped going to work by retirees after all.

Oh I spoke of the negative aspects of Endeavor I must have been fired, you'd really have to work to get shown the door at any regional. I enjoyed my time at Endeavor and never had any run-ins with management. I left on my own accord to fly a privately owned Global....

There's plenty of good things about Endeavor from the crews, training department, pay, some benefits, and the list goes on. However, I personally believe someone starting out in the industry would be better suited by heading to an AA wholly owned.

MountainWaves

Delta gets the 2k Endeavor referral bonus now as well.