It sure would be interesting to see. My small time virw was when the ssp started (only for captains) it was an 100-80% fail, so stealing your logic the ones who showed up early were too quick to jump at chance? I'm not saying that to rile you but to try and use it the other way.

The excuse makers were here even for those wildly high failure rates. The one i heard most often was, "hey one guy brought in a stack of those little logbooks, i mean #whatdoyou expect #amirite?" And that one guys lack of giving a damn was transferred onto a whole group of pilots going for ssp. I knew that was crap, because for every story (made up or otherwise) there were 3 guys who we watched on overnights and in between legs studying reams of paper before there was a real gouge.

When this place was shutting the doors due to attritition the acceptance suddenly jumped. It jumped around a little bit afterwards but it remained at something akin to a coin toss average, and the company touted its success, only focusing on current month numbers, forgetting about the senior guys who took the bullet.

Even that might be bad correlation. We suddenly had real full classes and needed more to make up the lost ground for earlier in the year, and the ssp numbers were getting bad. But now the hiring drops and attrition jumps a little and the ssp number stayed the same. The ssp was used as a sales pitch here to keep FOs from leaving for psa.

One thing is for sure, for delta to ever give a flow now, they'd have to eat their own words. Theyve only done that once since ive been here and it had to get very very bad. We aint there yet.

 

So the reserve rules are industry standard but they use you on ready more than average so not really. They're not the worst reserve rules but they sure aren't the best. Last cumulative numbers I saw were below 60% maybe it improved but with months like October I find that difficult to believe.

Of course the non rev benefits are the best out of any DCI carrier since Endeavor is the only wholly owned. Compare them to the AA wholly owned, that's a better comparison. Over there I believe priority is based upon checkin time plus various other benefits that blow Endeavor pass travel out of the water. I mean Endeavor guys and gals have to worry about getting bumped going to work by retirees after all.

Oh I spoke of the negative aspects of Endeavor I must have been fired, you'd really have to work to get shown the door at any regional. I enjoyed my time at Endeavor and never had any run-ins with management. I left on my own accord to fly a privately owned Global....

There's plenty of good things about Endeavor from the crews, training department, pay, some benefits, and the list goes on. However, I personally believe someone starting out in the industry would be better suited by heading to an AA wholly owned.

 

Delta gets the 2k Endeavor referral bonus now as well.

 

Here's an elaboration of the previous post:

On Oct. 29-30, Flight Operations hosted its first-ever Pilot Career Expo at the Flight Museum on Delta’s main campus. During the two-day period, 1,200 attendees – 600 each day -- passed through our main gates to talk to recruiters and learn more about our company and what it takes to become a Delta pilot.

Delta has long-participated in industry pilot career fairs that take place around the country and are attended by other carriers. This was the first time we invited attendees to our campus, and the response was overwhelmingly positive. We recruited attendees via our new Delta Pilot Recruiting Facebook page, and all available slots were taken within an hour of posting. Candidates traveled to Atlanta from around the country to spend the day with us. I can truly say it was humbling to see their enthusiasm about the possibility of one day flying a Delta jet. We are planning future career expos so stay tuned for more information.

On a related topic, this week Endeavor launched the Endeavor Pilot Connection Program aimed at growing the pool of qualified pilot candidates via a Delta employee referral program. Specifically, Endeavor will pay active Delta employees $2,000 if they recommend someone as an Endeavor First Officer and that individual is hired and successfully completes OE.

Endeavor, a wholly-owned Delta subsidiary, continues to enhance pilot pay to attract candidates. New pilots now receive a training bonus of $10,000 upon completion of their new-hire training program. Combined with a first year $20,000 retention payment and a pilot's regular monthly guarantee, Endeavor’s first year pilots will earn $60,000. After their first year, pilots will receive an annual $23,000 retention bonus -- this means that once pilots can upgrade to captain, often possible in less than 24 months, they can earn up to $87,000 each year.

 

Keep in mind the training and retention bonuses are contractually guaranteed. For the life of the contract. The 2k bonuses are soft money on top of an already lucrative package. I'm so sick of reading that in 2018, that money is going away. Just stop...it's not. If anything, that cash gets extended or rolled into a new deal. I for one can't wait to see what happens!

 

From what I've been hearing, the bonus will go away and we'll get an hourly increase. The numbers that have been floated will be a pay cut for anyone crediting less than 85 hours a month.

 

Youve boiled that down wrong. Yes the union wants the retention turned into pay rates. I suppose people not on the property yet might see it as pay cut (for a job they don't have yet) thankfully the new hires that just got in and all future ones get a giant sign on bonus.

The union is just trying to make sure everyone here, now, gets a true raise. Management wants to sucker pilots in with big first year bonuses, and hope they won't think about 2 years down the line, and historically that works.

No one in the union is trying to screw you.

 

By trolling around the other forums, I think we still haven't matched what the others offer their new regional candidates. Even republic has us beat already with nearly 65K now I think it said. If the mainline partners keep this up, we will, all of us, will be a B scale.

 

Do you think regionals will really be around long enough for that to happen?

 

Good economy in conjunction with low fuel and good hedging reduces the need of us regional pukes. When the economic downturn returns and mainlines start looking for concessions again, us regional pukes will be required once more.