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Old 11-02-2016, 05:59 PM
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Here's an elaboration of the previous post:

On Oct. 29-30, Flight Operations hosted its first-ever Pilot Career Expo at the Flight Museum on Delta’s main campus. During the two-day period, 1,200 attendees – 600 each day -- passed through our main gates to talk to recruiters and learn more about our company and what it takes to become a Delta pilot.

Delta has long-participated in industry pilot career fairs that take place around the country and are attended by other carriers. This was the first time we invited attendees to our campus, and the response was overwhelmingly positive. We recruited attendees via our new Delta Pilot Recruiting Facebook page, and all available slots were taken within an hour of posting. Candidates traveled to Atlanta from around the country to spend the day with us. I can truly say it was humbling to see their enthusiasm about the possibility of one day flying a Delta jet. We are planning future career expos so stay tuned for more information.

On a related topic, this week Endeavor launched the Endeavor Pilot Connection Program aimed at growing the pool of qualified pilot candidates via a Delta employee referral program. Specifically, Endeavor will pay active Delta employees $2,000 if they recommend someone as an Endeavor First Officer and that individual is hired and successfully completes OE.

Endeavor, a wholly-owned Delta subsidiary, continues to enhance pilot pay to attract candidates. New pilots now receive a training bonus of $10,000 upon completion of their new-hire training program. Combined with a first year $20,000 retention payment and a pilot's regular monthly guarantee, Endeavor’s first year pilots will earn $60,000. After their first year, pilots will receive an annual $23,000 retention bonus -- this means that once pilots can upgrade to captain, often possible in less than 24 months, they can earn up to $87,000 each year.
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Here's an elaboration of the previous post:

On Oct. 29-30, Flight Operations hosted its first-ever Pilot Career Expo at the Flight Museum on Delta’s main campus. During the two-day period, 1,200 attendees – 600 each day -- passed through our main gates to talk to recruiters and learn more about our company and what it takes to become a Delta pilot.

Delta has long-participated in industry pilot career fairs that take place around the country and are attended by other carriers. This was the first time we invited attendees to our campus, and the response was overwhelmingly positive. We recruited attendees via our new Delta Pilot Recruiting Facebook page, and all available slots were taken within an hour of posting. Candidates traveled to Atlanta from around the country to spend the day with us. I can truly say it was humbling to see their enthusiasm about the possibility of one day flying a Delta jet. We are planning future career expos so stay tuned for more information.

On a related topic, this week Endeavor launched the Endeavor Pilot Connection Program aimed at growing the pool of qualified pilot candidates via a Delta employee referral program. Specifically, Endeavor will pay active Delta employees $2,000 if they recommend someone as an Endeavor First Officer and that individual is hired and successfully completes OE.

Endeavor, a wholly-owned Delta subsidiary, continues to enhance pilot pay to attract candidates. New pilots now receive a training bonus of $10,000 upon completion of their new-hire training program. Combined with a first year $20,000 retention payment and a pilot's regular monthly guarantee, Endeavor’s first year pilots will earn $60,000. After their first year, pilots will receive an annual $23,000 retention bonus -- this means that once pilots can upgrade to captain, often possible in less than 24 months, they can earn up to $87,000 each year.
Keep in mind the training and retention bonuses are contractually guaranteed. For the life of the contract. The 2k bonuses are soft money on top of an already lucrative package. I'm so sick of reading that in 2018, that money is going away. Just stop...it's not. If anything, that cash gets extended or rolled into a new deal. I for one can't wait to see what happens!
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Old 11-02-2016, 06:19 PM
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From what I've been hearing, the bonus will go away and we'll get an hourly increase. The numbers that have been floated will be a pay cut for anyone crediting less than 85 hours a month.
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Old 11-02-2016, 06:59 PM
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From what I've been hearing, the bonus will go away and we'll get an hourly increase. The numbers that have been floated will be a pay cut for anyone crediting less than 85 hours a month.
Youve boiled that down wrong. Yes the union wants the retention turned into pay rates. I suppose people not on the property yet might see it as pay cut (for a job they don't have yet) thankfully the new hires that just got in and all future ones get a giant sign on bonus.

The union is just trying to make sure everyone here, now, gets a true raise. Management wants to sucker pilots in with big first year bonuses, and hope they won't think about 2 years down the line, and historically that works.

No one in the union is trying to screw you.
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Old 11-02-2016, 07:03 PM
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By trolling around the other forums, I think we still haven't matched what the others offer their new regional candidates. Even republic has us beat already with nearly 65K now I think it said. If the mainline partners keep this up, we will, all of us, will be a B scale.
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. If the mainline partners keep this up, we will, all of us, will be a B scale.
Do you think regionals will really be around long enough for that to happen?
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Originally Posted by JesuitValen View Post
Do you think regionals will really be around long enough for that to happen?
Good economy in conjunction with low fuel and good hedging reduces the need of us regional pukes. When the economic downturn returns and mainlines start looking for concessions again, us regional pukes will be required once more.
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No regional WO will make more first year than their mainline first year pilots. It's getting close at Delta with 9E getting over $60k. (New Delta TA notwithstanding)


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Old 11-02-2016, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey View Post
By trolling around the other forums, I think we still haven't matched what the others offer their new regional candidates. Even republic has us beat already with nearly 65K now I think it said. If the mainline partners keep this up, we will, all of us, will be a B scale.
Is this based on the advertisement where they include per diem and even medical benefits? Any objective look at an overall package would put Endeavor at or very close to the top.
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Old 11-03-2016, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wmichflyer View Post
From what I've been hearing, the bonus will go away and we'll get an hourly increase. The numbers that have been floated will be a pay cut for anyone crediting less than 85 hours a month.
Republic does not have us beat... The figure they use is highly deceptive. Including both per diem and medical benefits, as well as using a figure above guarantee.

9E: $10k signing, $20k retention, $30/hr ($27k at guarantee) = $57,000 guaranteed

YX: UP TO a $12k bonus, $40.40 an hour ($36.36k at guarantee) = $48,360 guaranteed IF you get the full bonus

You make nearly $10k more at Endeavor vs YX not to mention year 2 is $15,000(!!!) More at Endeavor than Republic and that's not including the quick upgrade here

Deceptive advertising over there

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