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05-10-2017, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28
I flew with a few 16+ year MSP captains on reserve during April.
Originally Posted by Yumyum
That's so damn pathetic!
June bid packs post tomorrow, and schedules a week later, let's see how it looks with the summer flying.
05-10-2017, 06:03 PM
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The junior CA in ATL is an Oct 16 hire. But... he is going to stay in that position for quite a while, I predict. For those that don't mind RSV (and we shall see how ATL pans out for that aspect of the job), it's not a horrible place to be, if you live there.
If I were a betting man, I'd say ATL will continue to go more senior the next few bids. Anyone upgrading in ATL will sit on RSV for several months, up to a year, as the 2015-2016 hires upgrade. Then it will stagnate just like DTW.
If I were a betting man, I'd say ATL will continue to go more senior the next few bids. Anyone upgrading in ATL will sit on RSV for several months, up to a year, as the 2015-2016 hires upgrade. Then it will stagnate just like DTW.
Originally Posted by msprj2
On the 900 maybe but on the 200 ATL CA will go junior
05-10-2017, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
DTW isn't much better unfortunately. And more 900 flying is scheduled to shift out of DTW and MSP to New York after the summer flying season. There have been a few secondary vacancies filled in DTW, none in MSP, and no primary vacancies in either position. The 200 has been similar, though the 200's in New York are supposed to start moving to ATL and DTW soon.
June bid packs post tomorrow, and schedules a week later, let's see how it looks with the summer flying.
June bid packs post tomorrow, and schedules a week later, let's see how it looks with the summer flying.
05-10-2017, 06:40 PM
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Yes, but aren't most of those the 10-13 year CAs? No movement off the top will equate to the same stagnation as FOs fill those spots, but have no room to move up above the current spots.
Originally Posted by Farmlover
Dtw has a good junk of captains on ssp that are leaving here soon that will open up some spots. Still movement going on.
05-10-2017, 06:51 PM
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58 CAs were awarded ATL on the past two bids. Two from 17-01 are no longer with us. That leaves 56 CAs, hire dates range from Oct 99 to Oct 16, ISL #s from 169 to 1523. The bottom 23 folks were hired on Feb 15 or later.
It remains to be seen if the remaining 44 CAs come from the current CA crowd, or upgrade into ATL as the summer progresses. Feb 16 is the most junior new hire who had previous 121 time; the four CAs below him were all return-to-work folks. It will get interesting as 2016 new hires hit the 1,000 hour mark in the next 2-6 months.
It remains to be seen if the remaining 44 CAs come from the current CA crowd, or upgrade into ATL as the summer progresses. Feb 16 is the most junior new hire who had previous 121 time; the four CAs below him were all return-to-work folks. It will get interesting as 2016 new hires hit the 1,000 hour mark in the next 2-6 months.
05-10-2017, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Farmlover
Dtw has a good junk of captains on ssp that are leaving here soon that will open up some spots. Still movement going on.
05-10-2017, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bornflying
To be clear here, we are saying 10 years to hold line as CA, but how long to make CA reserve other than NY?
05-10-2017, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
There are about 10 DTW 900 that will be leaving this month or next... yet there were no primary vacancies from 17-01 or 02... that means that those positions are shifting to New York and those pilots aren't being replaced in DTW. That is movement backwards for DTW pilots as they were the bottom reserve pilots.. now the top reserves will fall to the bottom and former lineholders will be back on reserve. DTW has lost over 1/3rd of its 900 captains without replacement over the last year or so.
A NY 900 domicile? The planes had to come from somewhere.
05-10-2017, 08:35 PM
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Do it....
Originally Posted by Bornflying
Green Needles, you make is sound like I would be stuck in NYC forever. In your opinion, how long would you guess getting ATL would be? If it takes a little over a year to upgrade, doesn't that mean you'd be halfway up the FO line in about a half a year? How bad is it commuting? How many days could I expect to be home? How many "commutable" lines are there? Any tricks to be home more?
Yes it makes sense with an upgrade i'd be back in NYC..but with more days off correct? I suppose that would mean being back on reserve for a while.
I'd be leaving a higher paying corporate/charter gig to come here, but being on call 24/7, hardly knowing any days off in advance, no job security (can sell the plane any time), combined with being home 10 days a month (yes I know initially I would be home even less) makes this look attractive in comparison.
As far as job progression, having time in a larger aircraft (compared to corporate) I think is invaluable experience to be gained. I think it is very hard for the majors to consider you without that kind of experience or military time.
I'm facing either being stuck in corporate forever or taking this chance to get into something different, and by all accounts it looks like there's never been a better time to go to the regionals. These kind of pay scales and upgrade times were unheard of only a few years ago. Do you disagree with that?
Yes it makes sense with an upgrade i'd be back in NYC..but with more days off correct? I suppose that would mean being back on reserve for a while.
I'd be leaving a higher paying corporate/charter gig to come here, but being on call 24/7, hardly knowing any days off in advance, no job security (can sell the plane any time), combined with being home 10 days a month (yes I know initially I would be home even less) makes this look attractive in comparison.
As far as job progression, having time in a larger aircraft (compared to corporate) I think is invaluable experience to be gained. I think it is very hard for the majors to consider you without that kind of experience or military time.
I'm facing either being stuck in corporate forever or taking this chance to get into something different, and by all accounts it looks like there's never been a better time to go to the regionals. These kind of pay scales and upgrade times were unheard of only a few years ago. Do you disagree with that?
I made the move from a 135 gig in ATL area and couldn't be happier for the same reasons you stated.
I commute ATL-LGA and it can be challenging sometimes (weather delays etc.) most of the time the commute isn't that bad due to many options if you don't mind the jumpseat. I have already been awarded ATL (6 months on property) and will be holding a line there as soon as I get moved from LGA where I only sat reserve for 2 weeks after IOE. The ATL base will continue to grow and I have friends still in training that just missed getting it last vacancy notice. Expect no more than a few months in NYC if any.
One more thought regarding upgrades and all of this stagnation talk....
The 200's are all leaving NYC market for ATL. Unless there is something I'm not considering it will become the most JR 200 base for both seats = not having to upgrade yourself back to NYC, ever.
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