Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
06-11-2017 | 12:35 PM
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Anything less than $25.56 is a pay cut for anyone on property in the past 2 years. And even at $25.56, it's still less pay than the more senior guys got back in the day, right?
I'll vote no for anything less than $25.56. I was hired at 75 hours guarantee, I get paid at 75 hours, and I see anything based on 83 or 85 hours as a pay cut, period.
And don't give me any of that BS about the 401K increased contribution. It might be a good thing. It might not. Won't know until one is taking it out. Had anyone here tried to take money from their 401K in 2007/2008, they would have lost their pants. Many have just started breaking even in the past year or two.
I'll vote no for anything less than $25.56. I was hired at 75 hours guarantee, I get paid at 75 hours, and I see anything based on 83 or 85 hours as a pay cut, period.
And don't give me any of that BS about the 401K increased contribution. It might be a good thing. It might not. Won't know until one is taking it out. Had anyone here tried to take money from their 401K in 2007/2008, they would have lost their pants. Many have just started breaking even in the past year or two.
For those that average more it is a raise.
Don't get me wrong I'll take the more money option, but the problem is we need to get what we can while the fire is hot, I've seen it turn the other way too many times to wait "because we can get more" down the line.
I see a trend that it's the guys that only fly 75 hours that have a problem with this.
For everyone else it's a benefit.
06-11-2017 | 12:49 PM
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It's only a pay cut for those that average less than 83 hours a month.
For those that average more it is a raise.
Don't get me wrong I'll take the more money option, but the problem is we need to get what we can while the fire is hot, I've seen it turn the other way too many times to wait "because we can get more" down the line.
I see a trend that it's the guys that only fly 75 hours that have a problem with this.
For everyone else it's a benefit.
For those that average more it is a raise.
Don't get me wrong I'll take the more money option, but the problem is we need to get what we can while the fire is hot, I've seen it turn the other way too many times to wait "because we can get more" down the line.
I see a trend that it's the guys that only fly 75 hours that have a problem with this.
For everyone else it's a benefit.
06-11-2017 | 01:04 PM
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It's a raise because the bonus will go away.
And it's more money than now for most pilots on property.
06-11-2017 | 01:35 PM
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The thing is, the reason we got bonuses was because of demand. For once we actually have leverage. But, I agree with accepting either proposal because it secures that money. Let the company come back later when we're not filling classes again with something better. That's the only reason we have a 23k bonus now is because of demand. Get it done, extend the contract some and let flow, pay etc be their idea. The well will dry up and the regional musical chairs will slow. I Don't think now is the time to be digging deep.
06-11-2017 | 02:18 PM
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Most people will benefit much more with a pure hourly rate.
Pay proposals (on top of current book) monthly:
Union ($23 per hr)
75 - $1725
80 - $1840
85 - $1955
90 - $2070
95 - $2185
100 - $2300
Company ($23000 salary)
75 - $1916
80 - $1916
85 - $1916
90 - $1916
95 - $1916
100 - $1916
I'm not working for free.
Pay proposals (on top of current book) monthly:
Union ($23 per hr)
75 - $1725
80 - $1840
85 - $1955
90 - $2070
95 - $2185
100 - $2300
Company ($23000 salary)
75 - $1916
80 - $1916
85 - $1916
90 - $1916
95 - $1916
100 - $1916
I'm not working for free.
Just a thought, how about splitting the difference? Add $11.50/hr and $11,500 yearly
That would work out to:
75 - $862+958= 1820 (+$21,840/yr)
80 - $920+958= 1870 (+$22,536/yr)
85 - $978+958= 1936 (+$23,226/yr)
90 - $1035+958= 1993 (+$23,916/yr)
95 - $1093+958= 2051 (+$24,613/yr)
100 - $1150 +958 = 2108 (+$25,296/yr)
At 75 hours that's pretty close (I could live with it), and still allows room for those who want to make more an incentive to work more.
06-11-2017 | 02:26 PM
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Just a thought, how about splitting the difference? Add $11.50/hr and $11,500 yearly
That would work out to:
75 - $862+958= 1820 (+$21,840/yr)
80 - $920+958= 1870 (+$22,536/yr)
85 - $978+958= 1936 (+$23,226/yr)
90 - $1035+958= 1993 (+$23,916/yr)
95 - $1093+958= 2051 (+$24,613/yr)
100 - $1150 +958 = 2108 (+$25,296/yr)
At 75 hours that's pretty close (I could live with it), and still allows room for those who want to make more an incentive to work more.
That would work out to:
75 - $862+958= 1820 (+$21,840/yr)
80 - $920+958= 1870 (+$22,536/yr)
85 - $978+958= 1936 (+$23,226/yr)
90 - $1035+958= 1993 (+$23,916/yr)
95 - $1093+958= 2051 (+$24,613/yr)
100 - $1150 +958 = 2108 (+$25,296/yr)
At 75 hours that's pretty close (I could live with it), and still allows room for those who want to make more an incentive to work more.
I want the full rate of what I can make for every minute the brake is dropped.
And it increases your time and half also.
06-11-2017 | 02:34 PM
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Yeah I see where you are coming from, and I can see where those who make only guarantee are coming from too. Seems like this would be a decent compromise between the two. Like they say, a good compromise is when both sides are slightly unhappy :/.
06-11-2017 | 03:16 PM
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They know they would have to pay a few pilots only marginally more where they would paying a much bigger majority a lot less.
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