Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
06-11-2017, 02:35 PM
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The thing is, the reason we got bonuses was because of demand. For once we actually have leverage. But, I agree with accepting either proposal because it secures that money. Let the company come back later when we're not filling classes again with something better. That's the only reason we have a 23k bonus now is because of demand. Get it done, extend the contract some and let flow, pay etc be their idea. The well will dry up and the regional musical chairs will slow. I Don't think now is the time to be digging deep.
06-11-2017, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Most people will benefit much more with a pure hourly rate.
Pay proposals (on top of current book) monthly:
Union ($23 per hr)
75 - $1725
80 - $1840
85 - $1955
90 - $2070
95 - $2185
100 - $2300
Company ($23000 salary)
75 - $1916
80 - $1916
85 - $1916
90 - $1916
95 - $1916
100 - $1916
I'm not working for free.
Pay proposals (on top of current book) monthly:
Union ($23 per hr)
75 - $1725
80 - $1840
85 - $1955
90 - $2070
95 - $2185
100 - $2300
Company ($23000 salary)
75 - $1916
80 - $1916
85 - $1916
90 - $1916
95 - $1916
100 - $1916
I'm not working for free.
Just a thought, how about splitting the difference? Add $11.50/hr and $11,500 yearly
That would work out to:
75 - $862+958= 1820 (+$21,840/yr)
80 - $920+958= 1870 (+$22,536/yr)
85 - $978+958= 1936 (+$23,226/yr)
90 - $1035+958= 1993 (+$23,916/yr)
95 - $1093+958= 2051 (+$24,613/yr)
100 - $1150 +958 = 2108 (+$25,296/yr)
At 75 hours that's pretty close (I could live with it), and still allows room for those who want to make more an incentive to work more.
06-11-2017, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bornflying
Just a thought, how about splitting the difference? Add $11.50/hr and $11,500 yearly
That would work out to:
75 - $862+958= 1820 (+$21,840/yr)
80 - $920+958= 1870 (+$22,536/yr)
85 - $978+958= 1936 (+$23,226/yr)
90 - $1035+958= 1993 (+$23,916/yr)
95 - $1093+958= 2051 (+$24,613/yr)
100 - $1150 +958 = 2108 (+$25,296/yr)
At 75 hours that's pretty close (I could live with it), and still allows room for those who want to make more an incentive to work more.
That would work out to:
75 - $862+958= 1820 (+$21,840/yr)
80 - $920+958= 1870 (+$22,536/yr)
85 - $978+958= 1936 (+$23,226/yr)
90 - $1035+958= 1993 (+$23,916/yr)
95 - $1093+958= 2051 (+$24,613/yr)
100 - $1150 +958 = 2108 (+$25,296/yr)
At 75 hours that's pretty close (I could live with it), and still allows room for those who want to make more an incentive to work more.
I want the full rate of what I can make for every minute the brake is dropped.
And it increases your time and half also.
06-11-2017, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
You could but the whole point to keeping it hourly is because we are paid by the minute.
I want the full rate of what I can make for every minute the brake is dropped.
And it increases your time and half also.
I want the full rate of what I can make for every minute the brake is dropped.
And it increases your time and half also.
06-11-2017, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bornflying
Yeah I see where you are coming from, and I can see where those who make only guarantee are coming from too. Seems like this would be a decent compromise between the two. Like they say, a good compromise is when both sides are slightly unhappy :/.
They know they would have to pay a few pilots only marginally more where they would paying a much bigger majority a lot less.
06-11-2017, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Just looked at my stubs, and I credited 75.5, 80, and 76 the past 3 months, line holder, with no pick-ups. A far cry from your 100 on RSV. Me thinks something smells strong and wrong in Denmark.
06-11-2017, 07:12 PM
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Base pay should be based on min guarantee, period, since that is the premise behind our pay scheme. Some are willing to work more hours for more money, but not everyone is. A person who averages 100-110 hours a month might be happy with the slight pay increase, but those pulling 75 or close to it won't be happy. And shouldn't be. It's a PAY CUT. At a time when everyone else is raising pay. EDV thinks they can get away with it because the AA WOs are paying slightly less than us right now.
But what if we vote in this pay cut, and AA folks get a bump in pay? Say 5 grand a year, while we go down? What will THAT do for the company?
But what if we vote in this pay cut, and AA folks get a bump in pay? Say 5 grand a year, while we go down? What will THAT do for the company?
Originally Posted by Bartok
It's only a pay cut for those that average less than 83 hours a month.
For those that average more it is a raise.
Don't get me wrong I'll take the more money option, but the problem is we need to get what we can while the fire is hot, I've seen it turn the other way too many times to wait "because we can get more" down the line.
I see a trend that it's the guys that only fly 75 hours that have a problem with this.
For everyone else it's a benefit.
For those that average more it is a raise.
Don't get me wrong I'll take the more money option, but the problem is we need to get what we can while the fire is hot, I've seen it turn the other way too many times to wait "because we can get more" down the line.
I see a trend that it's the guys that only fly 75 hours that have a problem with this.
For everyone else it's a benefit.
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