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06-10-2017, 08:40 PM

#13891

musketeer

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Originally Posted by msprj2

12 day off min=no way. Every pilot will have that for min and max.
We are asking for more sick, 401, vacation, per diem Plus a pay raise?
Again not going to happen.
This isn't Christmas.

It IS Christmas. All of you guys have been under the regional thumb for so long that you seem to be addicted to the abuse. A pay raise based on scales from a decade ago doesn't even keep up with inflation, let alone account for the massive increase in demand for pilots. I say demand massive gains and if the ship sinks, it sinks. There are places to land all around us. Everyone on here acting like we need to accept what the hand feeds us needs to wake up to the current environment.

06-10-2017, 09:32 PM

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HighFlight

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Can you explain your math, please?

$2.09 X 900 = $1,881. Nowhere NEAR $23K, so I am losted...

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

This is not based in anything other than opinion. What is the duration of this contract with hourly rates? If you are willing to take hourly rates for 5 years duration, we just lost tens of thousands of dollars. The math based on converting $23000 to 83 hours, equates to a raise of $2.09hr on 75 hours. That's a hell no. The C-series at Delta is going to pay 5 times what the CRJ 900 pays with only 24 additional seats.

I would rather wait until section 6 to negotiate, this is becoming a disaster quickly.

06-10-2017, 10:00 PM

#13893

Rayeli

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

Can you explain your math, please?

$2.09 X 900 = $1,881. Nowhere NEAR $23K, so I am losted...

He made a typo, it's $23.09. ($23000/996 hours per year)

06-11-2017, 01:57 AM

#13894

Five93H

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So what is boarding priority for our guys on other DCI compared to mainline?

06-11-2017, 03:43 AM

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Theoden

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Originally Posted by musketeer

We will not get significantly more than what the market demands that we get. That is how it really was all along, and that is how it will be. The company obviously feels that we are current to a pay level that satisfies it's hiring and retention needs. The union bosses can't work miracles no matter what their mindset, sad to say.

06-11-2017, 06:10 AM

#13896

web500sjc

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Originally Posted by Theoden

All that really matters is that all of 23k of compensation gets wrapped into the current or new contract and doesn't expire at the end of the year. It doesn't matter if its lump sum, retention bonus, wages or salary; But anything less than 23k in compensation a year is a pay cut.

06-11-2017, 07:18 AM

#13897

Farmlover

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Originally Posted by stillcantfly

Well I haven't gone over 75 hours of pay in 5 months sooooo there's that. I am also on reserve and shouldn't have to give up min days to go over 75 hours credit. There's a thing called QOL and family! I am also no where near a line.... and no not bidding NYC..

Almost 2 years of rsv and never been less than 100. Without picking up

06-11-2017, 08:02 AM

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Edgecrusher28

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Originally Posted by msprj2

12 day off min=no way. Every pilot will have that for min and max.
We are asking for more sick, 401, vacation, per diem Plus a pay raise?
Again not going to happen.
This isn't Christmas.

Bro; take the hat off, it seems to be cutting off blood flow to your brain.

06-11-2017, 08:32 AM

#13899

flyguydanny

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Originally Posted by msprj2

12 day off min=no way. Every pilot will have that for min and max.
We are asking for more sick, 401, vacation, per diem Plus a pay raise?
Again not going to happen.
This isn't Christmas.

It's about time Christmas comes around! Never shoot the hopes and needs of people down. Always shoot and aim for the most you can get, then of course settle somewhere in the middle. You must be a horrible negotiator. Do not try and sell anything my friend you will get screwed so hard you wouldn't know what hit you.

06-11-2017, 09:48 AM

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Mesabah

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

Can you explain your math, please?

$2.09 X 900 = $1,881. Nowhere NEAR $23K, so I am losted...

The company wants to divide out the $23K equally over 24 yearly paychecks. The union wants to add $23hr. If you flew the company average hours, that equates to a raise of $2.09 per hour over the company proposal. If you fall short, it's a paycut. I'm not cool with locking in a 5 year contract, that I have to fly over 1100 hrs to make any money, which I could beat with a simple $2.10 hr raise. Take the company proposal, and then lets deal with hourly rates in section 6.