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02-03-2016, 11:20 AM
#2741
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I should add that there was the exception if I paid 25,000 dollars to Gulfstream academy to sit in the right seat of a Beech 1900 for 250 hours that I could have gotten hired at 600 hours. 
Ahh yes, the old extortion method. Classic!
02-03-2016, 11:50 AM
#2743
Property of Scheduling
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
A lot of guys that did the "extortion" method shaved years off the career entry which is a win in a seniority-driven industry. But those days are me with the 1500 hr rule.
Big question for you, do you think 1500 vs 250 made a difference in background when you showed up to 121? As in experience? I'm guessing you have yet to fly PIC since initial training correct? Do you see that as a weak point when upgrade time comes?
Honest questions. I wasn't a "wonder" so I'm not sure on the sentiment that now exists years down the line.
02-03-2016, 11:55 AM
#2744
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I should add that there was the exception if I paid 25,000 dollars to Gulfstream academy to sit in the right seat of a Beech 1900 for 250 hours that I could have gotten hired at 600 hours.
02-03-2016, 11:59 AM
#2745
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex
I believe Pinnacle had a deal with Gulfstream IIRC. Wasn't that just an interview with Pinnacle and doesn't guarantee a CJO?
02-03-2016, 11:59 AM
#2746
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
A lot of guys that did the "extortion" method shaved years off the career entry which is a win in a seniority-driven industry. But those days are me with the 1500 hr rule.
02-03-2016, 12:02 PM
#2747
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
There came a time from 2005-ish until the 1500 hour rule where this is correct.
In 2003, I couldn't get a call from anyone until I had 1700 hours AND 350 multi-engine.
In 2003, I couldn't get a call from anyone until I had 1700 hours AND 350 multi-engine.
02-03-2016, 12:10 PM
#2748
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by block30
I'm with 80kts here, I thought the 250 hour pilot era was a short lived aberration.
02-03-2016, 12:16 PM
#2749
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I have flown with 200 pilots and 20,000 hour pilots and one thing I can assure you of, is time means nothing. If you are eager to learn your craft and stay focused on continued education as well as refreshing skills that may have become rusty you will be a useful crew member in a 121 environment. So I say attitude beats flight time everyday. No flight deck will ever have a combined flight time of less than 1500 hours so this rule is silly. This rule wouldn't have prevented any of the last 15 years of accidents that were deemed the result of pilot error. If you want quality airman you must maintain and high standard. The FAA needs to impose a standard on their own FSDO's as well. There should not be such a difference between the MEM and MSP FSDO'S.
02-03-2016, 12:33 PM
#2750
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Originally Posted by vilcas
I have flown with 200 pilots and 20,000 hour pilots and one thing I can assure you of, is time means nothing. If you are eager to learn your craft and stay focused on continued education as well as refreshing skills that may have become rusty you will be a useful crew member in a 121 environment. So I say attitude beats flight time everyday. No flight deck will ever have a combined flight time of less than 1500 hours so this rule is silly. This rule wouldn't have prevented any of the last 15 years of accidents that were deemed the result of pilot error. If you want quality airman you must maintain and high standard. The FAA needs to impose a standard on their own FSDO's as well. There should not be such a difference between the MEM and MSP FSDO'S.
200 hundred or 2,000 hours, a person's willingness to learn, to adapt, to progress, regardless of the seat he or she holds, is much more important. I have flown with zero time pilots who want to learn, and 4,000 pilots who have no desire to be there, and the difference is night and day. With the 4,000 hour guy being night, of course.
There is no doubt that experience and capability comes with time. But some people simply lack the ability to put them to good use. And should not be pilots.
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