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04-09-2022, 11:54 AM
#2201
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
There is no real way to guess and historically what has happened is just out the window because things are so dynamic. Plan on three to six months of reserve. But if they throw a 145 class in there and get stuck, it could be forever.
Commuting to reserve is a special kind of he11. Most reserve lines are five on two off with a four on and three off in there someplace. Depending WHERE you are commuting to and from determines how commutable anything is. There are ways to push your first day late and slowly work to an early last day. But depends how the crew schedulers are and what flights you get tagged with.
Commuting to reserve is a special kind of he11. Most reserve lines are five on two off with a four on and three off in there someplace. Depending WHERE you are commuting to and from determines how commutable anything is. There are ways to push your first day late and slowly work to an early last day. But depends how the crew schedulers are and what flights you get tagged with.
I appreciate the reply!
04-09-2022, 03:55 PM
#2202
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,453
Originally Posted by BigZ
Remember the days when you would get all hissy at me for pointing out that your optimism is overly optimistic?
04-10-2022, 12:55 AM
#2203
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 48
Originally Posted by dera
Man. You sound like me 3 years ago. All full of optimism.
That will die soon. You'll see that the stuff RW/RN told you guys in your orientation is all lies, such as the 3 new sims. When I started, it was "LAX base is a done deal" and other gems like that.
That will die soon. You'll see that the stuff RW/RN told you guys in your orientation is all lies, such as the 3 new sims. When I started, it was "LAX base is a done deal" and other gems like that.
04-10-2022, 02:24 AM
#2204
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Originally Posted by chihuahua
Was this in the 2019 time frame? I seem to remember seeing maybe one or two DL E175s at MIA, but they were rare, and RPA was operating them for AA, Envoy had just brought the base back with only the 145 a year or two earlier. Then maybe late 2019 or early 2020 before covid, RPA left and the Envoy E145s in MIA got replaced by the Envoy E175s.
04-10-2022, 03:18 AM
#2205
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Originally Posted by chihuahua
Seems like it's impossible to predict what will happen over the next few months, but based on what you say, it doesn't sound like anything good. I wonder what the end game would be for AA with Envoy and PSA and all the planes they have if they keep losing people at a rate faster than they can replace them, especially the instructors and check airmen. Taking a quick glance over at the RPA page, it would appear that while they are experiencing the same issues as everyone else, it seems their retention problems don't seem to the level of seriousness you guys and others are experiencing. And they have ordered those 100 planes, for whatever contract they may be for.
The last planes RPA purchase for AAG flying were the six that AAG had that was the tail end of deliveries that were going to ENY. Under cover of darkness AAG let RPA purchase them instead. No announcement. It wasn’t until certain sequential N numbers didn’t show up at ENY and instead were showing up on the flight tracker coming from Brazil and owned by RPA that anything was said.
04-10-2022, 04:50 AM
#2206
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Which planes would those be? There have been a few times RPA or Mesa have had “100 plane” orders that weren’t hard orders at all. Merely a “letter of intent” contingent on receiving a contract for them. SKW usually has had much smaller 20-25 orders and they say who they will be flown for. Without a contract of a carrier to fly for, those letters of intent are just smoke and mirrors.
The last planes RPA purchase for AAG flying were the six that AAG had that was the tail end of deliveries that were going to ENY. Under cover of darkness AAG let RPA purchase them instead. No announcement. It wasn’t until certain sequential N numbers didn’t show up at ENY and instead were showing up on the flight tracker coming from Brazil and owned by RPA that anything was said.
The last planes RPA purchase for AAG flying were the six that AAG had that was the tail end of deliveries that were going to ENY. Under cover of darkness AAG let RPA purchase them instead. No announcement. It wasn’t until certain sequential N numbers didn’t show up at ENY and instead were showing up on the flight tracker coming from Brazil and owned by RPA that anything was said.
Its my understanding that the first 38 will replace 170s under the United contract, with the 170s going to the AA contract. The rest will replace older 175s unless there is scope room to grow.
But it’s definitely a legit order.
04-10-2022, 06:20 AM
#2207
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Originally Posted by 3400
https://www.aerospacemanufacturingan...r-e175-010419/
Its my understanding that the first 38 will replace 170s under the United contract, with the 170s going to the AA contract. The rest will replace older 175s unless there is scope room to grow.
But it’s definitely a legit order.
Its my understanding that the first 38 will replace 170s under the United contract, with the 170s going to the AA contract. The rest will replace older 175s unless there is scope room to grow.
But it’s definitely a legit order.
I have heard anecdotally that the RPA 170s will slide over to the AAG side, but no firm evidence. But moving which carrier those planes are flown for and one for one replacement isn’t growth. Also, I can’t imagine that “older 175s” are ready for replacement already if 170s are still good enough to fly. 145s are thirty years old. Very first 170s are just now 20 years old.
Last edited by pitchattitude; 04-10-2022 at 07:01 AM.
04-11-2022, 06:00 AM
#2208
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Position: Feeder of Amber
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
That article calls it a form order, but also a letter of intent. Also says deliveries to start 2020 and will position to BID for flying. Have any of those deliveries (besides the 6 AAG pulled out from Envoy) actually happened? So they have any additional contracts for those planes? Without contracts it’s still smoke and mirrors. Also have to be able to staff them which no one can do.
I have heard anecdotally that the RPA 170s will slide over to the AAG side, but no firm evidence. But moving which carrier those planes are flown for and one for one replacement isn’t growth. Also, I can’t imagine that “older 175s” are ready for replacement already if 170s are still good enough to fly. 145s are thirty years old. Very first 170s are just now 20 years old.
I have heard anecdotally that the RPA 170s will slide over to the AAG side, but no firm evidence. But moving which carrier those planes are flown for and one for one replacement isn’t growth. Also, I can’t imagine that “older 175s” are ready for replacement already if 170s are still good enough to fly. 145s are thirty years old. Very first 170s are just now 20 years old.
The article says it was a letter of intent but is now a firm order.
A global pandemic happened since LOI was firmed and deliveries were delayed but will begin in the 3rd quarter of 2022.
If the 170s are painted silver and new 175s come in to replace those on the United contract, yes that would be growth.
But again, staffing all of this is a different story.
04-11-2022, 06:31 AM
#2209
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Originally Posted by 3400
The article says it was a letter of intent but is now a firm order.
A global pandemic happened since LOI was firmed and deliveries were delayed but will begin in the 3rd quarter of 2022.
If the 170s are painted silver and new 175s come in to replace those on the United contract, yes that would be growth.
But again, staffing all of this is a different story.
A global pandemic happened since LOI was firmed and deliveries were delayed but will begin in the 3rd quarter of 2022.
If the 170s are painted silver and new 175s come in to replace those on the United contract, yes that would be growth.
But again, staffing all of this is a different story.
04-11-2022, 08:55 AM
#2210
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Where are you seeing those deliveries will happen? The RPA recruiting page (rjet.com, not APC) still lists 200 planes and there is no mention of more planes or contracts. APC shows more planes (221) and that delivery of the 100 on that LOI began in 2020, but I still see no real evidence that they have any additional contracts, even the moving the 170s to AAG contract doesn’t seem to be a certainty. An expanding airline means quicker seniority progression and is good recruiting fodder. Reading the RPA forum even they doubt this will happen and have the same doubts.
Just don’t think it has happened for these particular planes… yet.
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