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Old 10-31-2018 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Voski
Something I’ve never been able to get a straight answer on —
when is Envoy eligible for a new contract/pay rates?
Current contract goes through 2024. There is a limited re-opener in 2020 where ALPA and the company each bring a handful of items to the table to negotiate. Those items must be cost neutral to the company.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
Current contract goes through 2024. There is a limited re-opener in 2020 where ALPA and the company each bring a handful of items to the table to negotiate. Those items must be cost neutral to the company.


So maybe 2020 is when ALPA can maybe negotiate things like min day credit then?


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Old 10-31-2018 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
So maybe 2020 is when ALPA can maybe negotiate things like min day credit then?


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Do we even want min day? They'll just axe the 1/3 of lines that are horribly inefficient and keep 60 reserves around for each seat.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 05:32 AM
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Serious question.

Are we over staffed on reserve pilots? It seems like 90% of the pilot group is on reserve.(not literally, but still).Is this because schedules are so inefficient that they need to keep bodies around to cover the screw ups?
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Old 10-31-2018 | 05:42 AM
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The older fleets are grossly overstaffed and the reason is because of poor planning by the back office in terms of what to offer in class. Hundreds of pilots have been sent to the 145 and a few to the CRJ, with no operational need for them, leading to massive reserve lists and 30+ pilots per base sitting around every day flying less than 10 hours a month. For some reason, they are very wary of over-staffing the 175, and do not spread pilots around proportionately to anticipated need/attrition.

Permanent FO seat lock prevents this situation from resolving itself naturally, making the bad planning even more obvious.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Folove
Serious question.



Are we over staffed on reserve pilots? It seems like 90% of the pilot group is on reserve.(not literally, but still).Is this because schedules are so inefficient that they need to keep bodies around to cover the screw ups?

I just flew 0 hours in the past 4 day reserve block. But, I think you know that.


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Old 10-31-2018 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
The older fleets are grossly overstaffed and the reason is because of poor planning by the back office in terms of what to offer in class. Hundreds of pilots have been sent to the 145 and a few to the CRJ, with no operational need for them, leading to massive reserve lists and 30+ pilots per base sitting around every day flying less than 10 hours a month. For some reason, they are very wary of over-staffing the 175, and do not spread pilots around proportionately to anticipated need/attrition.

Permanent FO seat lock prevents this situation from resolving itself naturally, making the bad planning even more obvious.
While I agree that they have planned training poorly, I don’t think they are purposely not getting ahead on staffing with the 175. The 175 has had shorter staffing, so those FOs are flying more, so they are the ones upgrading sooner, which means they have to be replaced. I really believe they just don’t have the capacity they need to train more 175 pilots. They have plenty of instructors on the 145, not so on the 175. I think that is as much the poor planning problem as anything.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
While I agree that they have planned training poorly, I don’t think they are purposely not getting ahead on staffing with the 175. The 175 has had shorter staffing, so those FOs are flying more, so they are the ones upgrading sooner, which means they have to be replaced. I really believe they just don’t have the capacity they need to train more 175 pilots. They have plenty of instructors on the 145, not so on the 175. I think that is as much the poor planning problem as anything.
I believe the DFW 175 FO list currently sits close to 50 FOs...about 25-30 daily.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Houpilot2001
I believe the DFW 175 FO list currently sits close to 50 FOs...about 25-30 daily.
45 FOs available today DFE, mostly flown <20 hours MTD.

18 FOs available today DFL, mostly flown around ~40 hours MTD.

The EMJ is way overstaffed any way you slice it, both in ORD and DFW.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 04:04 PM
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You guys think the company will offer unpaid time off also like EDV?

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