Tired of this go to argument that a person can’t make a legitimate argument unless they are on the committee they are criticizing. Like saying you can’t criticize the president unless you run for president yourself. Making a counter argument would further the conversation more than simply trying to delegitimize your opponent.

 

In fairness, before the co. stopped sending anyone to LGA to stop the bleed from the hotel LOA, I know many pilots who enjoyed sky high QOL during their first 3 mos of NY reserve. That LOA meant a lot to a lot of people.

The "positive space" was a sham though, and got dismantled 2 months in when they took away the ability to check-in, making it the equivalent of a D1. It may be working again now, who knows.

 

Here is my opinion of the reality the NC is facing. Almost no one is resigning and classes continue to be filled. Envoy operates like someone living off of welfare, the only way for them to increase profits is to cut costs. AAG dictates the flying, it’s Envoys job to get it done cheap. So, why should Envoy out of the goodness of their hearts increase QOL and pay when it only hurts them? I’m not saying things shouldn’t be better, but the NC is still facing somewhat of an uphill battle until classes go empty or people begin to leave for other carriers.

Your previous comment about how the company only benefited was ridiculous. But it’s also called negotiating. We came out ahead in that grievance LOA for sure. And ALPA is largely a volunteer group, if you want to see things bettered, you should be willing to get your hands dirty. It’s fine to complain and you’re free to do so, but don’t expect anything to change if you’re not willing to do something about it.


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Why is the company so attached to the FO seat lock? Letting FOs bid around would instantly solve the all-consuming bitterness festering in every crew room from guys who have been here a year or more that are effectively junior to new hires in day one of indoc on the 175 in terms of schedule, base, career (HRS) and even pay for those who would be inclined to pick up OT.

 

Training costs and capacity would be my guess.

 

Well, how about the cost of keeping 30-40 FO's sitting around doing nothing @75 hrs/mo for years while handing others premium pay at the beginning of the month to cover trips? I think the reality is that it would ultimately cost them very little.

 

This!!!! One of the biggest blunder & vex I have with this place.

It’s the policy of the past, not working in this environment.
I’m sure company think it’s a leverage they have to negotiate with and get something.

They’ll continue to hurt themselves in efficiencies, costs, and other operational costs long term.


Hell SKYWEST is a bigger company & pilot group., they don’t do that. AAG is a 15,000 pilot Group they handle training costs just fine (1 instructor to 2 pilots during Groundschool & sims).,

It costs nothing these days, but hey whatever floats the company’s boat on perceived leverage.

 

Dilly dilly!

 

So I been here a year, have an offer if decide to Leave I would own 10 months of Bonus to envoy, Do you guys know if the company comes after repayment of Bonuses?

 

Remember that it's only prorated after the one year mark. If you owe ten months you'll actually owe about 84% of your bonus.