Envoy 2019
06-30-2019 | 11:56 AM
#1411
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The company is advertising that if you get hired NOW that you will flow 5.5 years, not that there are pilots here that WILL flow in 5 years. The group that will flow within 5ish years will do so because there were huge numbers of people that left and little hiring for quite a while. Now the opposite is true. Envoy is currently hiring 60 a month and flowing half that. There were months when there closer to 75. And the flow is about to be choked off to 15 a month. There is no way the numbers will work unless the company goal is to drive away twice as many pilots outside the flow. THEN the math starts to work.
06-30-2019 | 12:20 PM
#1412
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From: Whale FO
The company is advertising that if you get hired NOW that you will flow 5.5 years, not that there are pilots here that WILL flow in 5 years. The group that will flow within 5ish years will do so because there were huge numbers of people that left and little hiring for quite a while. Now the opposite is true. Envoy is currently hiring 60 a month and flowing half that. There were months when there closer to 75. And the flow is about to be choked off to 15 a month. There is no way the numbers will work unless the company goal is to drive away twice as many pilots outside the flow. THEN the math starts to work.
My flow time has dropped 6 months in under a year. From 8.8 to 8.2 years. At the end, it'll probably end up being somewhere in the low 7's. Someone hired today, it's a little bit longer, maybe high 7/low 8 years.
06-30-2019 | 02:02 PM
#1414
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You’re thinking of if you’re on a RAP. You are released from all RAP upon confirmation of any next day standby or flight assignment (NOT a next day RAP assignment). CBA Q&A 12-13 describes this pretty well.
06-30-2019 | 02:33 PM
#1415
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But are you asking if you are released from the CURRENT day, or next day RAP? Your HI 3 would show you are released to rest if there was conflict with completing the current day RAP or SB. But just because you confirm something next day doesn’t immediately release you from current day.
06-30-2019 | 02:45 PM
#1416
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But are you asking if you are released from the CURRENT day, or next day RAP? Your HI 3 would show you are released to rest if there was conflict with completing the current day RAP or SB. But just because you confirm something next day doesn’t immediately release you from current day.
Keep that in mind if they put something on you for the following day you don’t want, and it requires you to be released early in order to get required rest.
06-30-2019 | 02:54 PM
#1417
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From: Whale FO
See the difference between 12.B.5 and 12.B.6
The "consents to an early release" only applies to next day RAP, not trip sequence.
07-01-2019 | 03:23 AM
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07-01-2019 | 05:19 AM
#1419
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Any recent intel on how these NY A passes are working out? I remember hearing at one point that it was a pain to actually get them issued.
07-01-2019 | 09:47 AM
#1420
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A12 is not pay protected. It’s just a higher status non rev listing. If you’re not A1D then you have to abide by the commuter policy. NY hires get A12 passes.
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