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Old 07-08-2019 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
whats the seat lock if i get forcibly upgraded out of training (into what I assume will be the 145 in NYC)?
You pretty much would be a direct entry captain minus the 45k bonus
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Old 07-08-2019 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Based off of the new info you provided, SkyWest would be #1 choice by a mile. If you come to envoy you will end up in NYC at the bottom of a deep reserve list. It would be hell.

I can’t believe I am saying this, but Dera is right with his post above me. I think I need a shower now. 😉

Best of luck whichever way you go.
I’m sure it hurt dera to post what he did, but it wasn’t speaking I’ll of the DFL, so I’m sure he will shrug it off.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Based off of the new info you provided, SkyWest would be #1 choice by a mile. If you come to envoy you will end up in NYC at the bottom of a deep reserve list. It would be hell.

I can’t believe I am saying this, but Dera is right with his post above me. I think I need a shower now. 😉

Best of luck whichever way you go.
Thank you and you may be right! I did my app with them and sent a follow up email. Time will tell!
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Old 07-08-2019 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EnyFlyr
You pretty much would be a direct entry captain minus the 45k bonus
Hmmm. Can you elaborate? Recruiters saying they’re continuing the bonus?
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Old 07-08-2019 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by EnyFlyr
You pretty much would be a direct entry captain minus the 45k bonus
As much as I don’t want to encourage this, they might still be giving the extra money if you have over 500 121 hours.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
Hmmm. Can you elaborate? Recruiters saying they’re continuing the bonus?
Here's the thing: You will make more money as a SkyWest FO with the actual seniority you will build there and the opportunities it brings, than sitting reserve as the bottom of the CA list at Envoy.

With the "official" DEC program sort of over, no-one expects to see any meaningful influx of upgrade-ready people to join Envoy, unless a regional goes under somewhere. This means that you will have junior Captains to you only when the new hire FO's start upgrading who got hired in classes after yours. This means at least 1.5 years on average.

Commuting to reserve at Envoy means you likely can't pick up any OT, so you will be stuck with the minimum guarantee while paying for a crashpad.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 03:41 PM
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The official DEC program is over because the failure rate was so high. The CMO didn’t like it to begin with.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 05:03 PM
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I know the morale around Envoy is horribly low & you guys will probably blast me..my question is what are the chances it’s still this bad in the next 12-18 months?

From the outside looking in, you would think the agreement that management ripped up would eventually pass, right? Especially since the other two WO’s both received massive pay raises. Or am I totally ignorant on the subject?
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Old 07-08-2019 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
Thank you and you may be right! I did my app with them and sent a follow up email. Time will tell!
Also if you’re current 121, Skywest has some sort of program that honors your years of service at your current gig for higher pay with them.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bgrace6

From the outside looking in, you would think the agreement that management ripped up would eventually pass, right? Especially since the other two WO’s both received massive pay raises. Or am I totally ignorant on the subject?
I wouldnt call that “massive” compared to Endeavor‘s. FO’s pretty much break even since they take away the retention bonus. And I think it would pass if people stopped applying thinking pay raises are around the corner. This has been the recruiting tool of the year
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