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Old 06-14-2019 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
True. Almost every new FO I've flown with is asking what's going on and why the union hasn't taken the money at this point. Most didn't realize how low $39/hr really is before they came here. In unity.
Head over to the PDT section and ask their new FOs how well the “pay raise” is working out for them
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Old 06-14-2019 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
We don't fly a fleet of 50 seaters. I'm very much assuming the company offered the same blended rates out if the gate, and the union wanted more + reserve/QOL improvements, when they weren't even on the table prior to this. Company responds by saying FU go fly the line, and they haven't met in weeks since.
You should really look into the pay banding we “enjoy”.
50 seat rates until about 10-11 months before you flow is what you should expect.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
You should really look into the pay banding we “enjoy”.
50 seat rates until about 10-11 months before you flow is what you should expect.
I know how the pay banding works. My argument is that the union has obviously made no ground in over 2 months, and thinks the company will negotiate with them when they have absolutely no obligation to. Now is not the time to rock the ship and have them walk away again. And for those of you counting today is our 5th paycheck since the PSA raise, and technically now the 2nd since the Piedmont (back pay)
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Old 06-14-2019 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
I know how the pay banding works. My argument is that the union has obviously made no ground in over 2 months, and thinks the company will negotiate with them when they have absolutely no obligation to. Now is not the time to rock the ship and have them walk away again. And for those of you counting today is our 5th paycheck since the PSA raise.
You have your rep’s email address? Shoot them a message listing your concerns or find a P2P and have a chat about how the things are going, the P2P will forward your concerns.

Your opinion, just like mine, is one of about 2500 and, just like mine, will be noted.

I do not, however, appreciate you rocking the Union boat, against the MEC’s continued requests to keep the bargaining off of the social media.

Please keep your frustrations in check, spilling them over will not help your paycheck in the long run.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
You have your rep’s email address? Shoot them a message listing your concerns or find a P2P and have a chat about how the things are going, the P2P will forward your concerns.



Your opinion, just like mine, is one of about 2500 and, just like mine, will be noted.



I do not, however, appreciate you rocking the Union boat, against the MEC’s continued requests to keep the bargaining off of the social media.



Please keep your frustrations in check, spilling them over will not help your paycheck in the long run.


Management here is so reactive that everyone is in the right to express their frustration. There is nothing wrong about advertising the sh*t pay here, PDT/PSA got their rates with no strings attached and rather quickly yet here we are still dragging along as the lowest paid. Yeah don’t negotiate on social media, but nothing wrong with letting potential new hires know what they are getting into by coming to this place.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 11:13 AM
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While the weeks as the lowest paid WO aren’t fun by any stretch of imagination, please keep things in perspective and remember that, more likely than not, we are going to live with whatever rates we get for a while. I’ll take being a few weeks (and, frankly, months) underpaid for years of better pay.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
You have your rep’s email address? Shoot them a message listing your concerns or find a P2P and have a chat about how the things are going, the P2P will forward your concerns.

Your opinion, just like mine, is one of about 2500 and, just like mine, will be noted.

I do not, however, appreciate you rocking the Union boat, against the MEC’s continued requests to keep the bargaining off of the social media.

Please keep your frustrations in check, spilling them over will not help your paycheck in the long run.
This has been a long time coming before creating an account and posting. I have emailed the P2P, negotiating committee, etc and have received no replies. I talked to a rep in person who said they can't say anything. I talked to a P2P in person who said they aren't given any more information than a regular pilot. We haven't even received a minutes correspondence since January. At what other point do I have a way of knowing what I am saying is being heard? It's obvious as of now. The company isn't going to negotiate. If we don't take the money were going to lose it soon enough.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
You have your rep’s email address? Shoot them a message listing your concerns or find a P2P and have a chat about how the things are going, the P2P will forward your concerns.

Your opinion, just like mine, is one of about 2500 and, just like mine, will be noted.

I do not, however, appreciate you rocking the Union boat, against the MEC’s continued requests to keep the bargaining off of the social media.

Please keep your frustrations in check, spilling them over will not help your paycheck in the long run.
No one responds to the emails. Reps won't tell you anything in person. P2Ps aren't given any more information than regular pilots. No minutes update since January. Tell me how I'm in the wrong for posting online to ensure what I'm saying is being heard?
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Old 06-14-2019 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2
Management here is so reactive that everyone is in the right to express their frustration. There is nothing wrong about advertising the sh*t pay here, PDT/PSA got their rates with no strings attached and rather quickly yet here we are still dragging along as the lowest paid. Yeah don’t negotiate on social media, but nothing wrong with letting potential new hires know what they are getting into by coming to this place.
Highlighted part was the point I was trying to make.
No objections to the rest.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
Highlighted part was the point I was trying to make.
No objections to the rest.
At what point does short term turn into long term?
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