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black cat 03-14-2020 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2998350)
Was AA retiring 10k pilots during that decade?

No. And they weren't seeing the kind of cuts that are currently on the table either. But by all means, keep hanging out for your flow. I'm sure it's gonna be all fine.

Voski 03-14-2020 09:25 PM

Aaaaaaand it just got worse.

black cat 03-14-2020 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2998350)
Was AA retiring 10k pilots during that decade?


Originally Posted by Voski (Post 2998617)

You guys just keep worrying about flow though...

Gooch 03-14-2020 10:21 PM

Just opinion like everything else on here...The reference to the economic downturn post 9/11 on our envoy thread is ironically comical since 70% of our pilot group was 3 yrs old during that period. Not a diss on the younger folks. I just don’t think they have a real frame of reference. And as for the continued cuts at AA, unless they’re gonna start sending the bus to Joplin, the April bid packet didn’t look that bad honestly. Subject to change of course. Always go into any for profit aviation gig thinking you could possibly get stuck there due to unforeseen circumstances and give yourself outs. The rest will sort itself out in time. Stay frosty. #GWOTTrapLordz

HalyardJammer 03-14-2020 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by Gooch (Post 2998642)
Just opinion like everything else on here...The reference to the economic downturn post 9/11 on our envoy thread is ironically comical since 70% of our pilot group was 3 yrs old during that period. Not a diss on the younger folks. I just don’t think they have a real frame of reference. And as for the continued cuts at AA, unless they’re gonna start sending the bus to Joplin, the April bid packet didn’t look that bad honestly. Subject to change of course. Always go into any for profit aviation gig thinking you could possibly get stuck there due to unforeseen circumstances and give yourself outs. The rest will sort itself out in time. Stay frosty. #GWOTTrapLordz

I think it's safe to say for the time being that AA will probably do some sort of furlough as their international routes are hit far harder than Envoys. Now if we have domestic travel bans, things change across the board. Trump mentioned it was in the realm of possibility, but we're not there yet.

Voski 03-15-2020 03:57 AM


Originally Posted by black cat (Post 2998639)
You guys just keep worrying about flow though...

I don’t care about flow-through, I’m actively chasing the next rung up from the regionals. It’s more about having a job to provide for my family and the ability to build the necessary flight experience to leave for the next gig. Flow is for suckers.

Captian Open 03-15-2020 04:00 PM

I love how on this thread and all of AA threads it’s all doom and gloom the world is ending yahadda yada meanwhile on deltas thread they’re posting stock tips from atop their greenback tower. Fn tools

MqWhistleblower 03-15-2020 05:20 PM

Rumors that Swayne’s next video is going to be “Top 10 things I should’ve known before getting stuck at Envoy”- Swayne to the rescue

havick206 03-15-2020 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2999528)
Rumors that Swayne’s next video is going to be “Top 10 things I should’ve known before getting stuck at Envoy”- Swayne to the rescue

You mean like negotiating to increase QOL as opposed to opening the flow tap for a select few? Letting the pilot group vote on changes to their contract would have been a good start.

Chato 03-15-2020 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2999604)
You mean like negotiating to increase QOL as opposed to opening the flow tap for a select few? Letting the pilot group vote on changes to their contract would have been a good start.

oh the irony. You realize some of these guys who voted for that horrible agreement might be furloughed as opposed to sitting at the top back at their regional with better QOL altogether for them and the rest of the pilot group. They wanted the flow increase at all cost they got it.


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