I don’t trust PSA MEC, nor should any envoy pilot.

 

Last time I check, I am not looking at a 19 hour LOA that I am unhappy about. Our folks have been in contact.

Again, y’all need to chill about PSA and hit up your reps about this 19 hour LOA. You guys deserve better than that.

 

You guys had your chance last year to prove us wrong. Yet, you accepted LESS. Didn’t even match it. Less! I hate to be that guy, but you guys are ridiculous. You had your chance to show us otherwise and you blew it. Time to come back down to reality.

I dont know who is or isn’t talking to who, but so what if our MEC isn’t talking to Envoy? I wouldn’t want to talk to Envoy either given you guy’s recent *****fest. It’s like cussing out a gate agent and then expecting them to upgrade you to first class. How is talking to our MEC going to help anything? You think you would have gotten 30 hours instead of 19 if PSA would communicate with you? You need to look out for your own pilot group. Talking to PSA, Piedmont, Delta, Netjets, or the pawn star guys is not going to improve anything for you. Get over it.

Given your ridiculous argument that PSA is bringing you guys down you shouldn’t be talking to us anyway. You might have walked away with only 8 hours instead of 19.

 

Umm, that’s because I didn’t care about what happened in 2013-2014 so yeah, I don’t care to much.

22% huh, throwing fancy numbers out there to make yourself look smart and boost your ethos up? Nice try buddy. Nobody knows unless you sit down and calculated exactly how many people left since the exact date your concessionary contract was signed. I don’t care to do the math on that, seems like you do.

If you check Air Portal, we do a fantastic job in the network, so call is a wanna be golden child but we deliver a good product. Fair on our old MEC to take less, but that was to flow more pilots out the door and those idiots are gone finally.

It’s a respect thing man, PSA has never been one to play nice with other MEC’s and that’s just going off historical data. I really, really wish that changes because we are all going to have to work together as one wholly-owned family. We’re going to need it in these unprecedented times.

I don’t think any companies will go under, maybe a merger, but we all need to rally through this as one hell of a ride we’re all about to through.


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Actually I didn't do it to make myself look smart or boost myself up "buddy" don't flatter yourself. I threw the numbers out there because its actual data instead of false claims. Unlike what a decent amount of Envoy guys have been saying on here I was just backing up the claims with real numbers to inform you all instead of just throwing random crap out and hoping it sticks.

I get the respect thing and I agree but don't you think respect is a two way road? One of yall's pilots started a whole thread before it got deleted saying "PSA Scabs better not ask for my jumpseat". Is that respectful? His reasoning was because our leadership may or may not be talking with yours. Which again we've been told they have been. I completely agree about rallying and being one as an industry but for threads like that to be made then remarks in here over whether or not our leadership is communicating with yours is a joke.

 

Read the furlough mitigation section of their CBA. Those are concessions.

 

First off, pal, Republic did not accept any pay cuts. That would require an LOA and a majority vote. The furlough mitigation section of our contract simply lowers the target line award to between 72 and 82 hours instead >75 hours to sky's the limit. We also can't add open time above 82 hours or split trades below 4:12 as it "creates additional cost to the company" according to the furlough mitigation section of our contract. We can still add above 82 from the tradeboard, but only whole trips as trip rigging other than awarded trips is suspended for now. But we absolutely did not take a pay cut to get our leave, nor have we given concessions on any sort of work rules or pay other than austerity measures spelled out in the contract. Our union, whom have done an absolutely terrific job at not only communicating, but negotiating in good faith for our entire pilot group, has given us great assurances to this point.

On another note, the amount of entitlement some of you guys on this forum show is staggering. You guys think you're owed the world, with an unsettling willingness to throw everyone else under the bus even during extremely difficult times, and some of you guys act like complete children throwing temper tantrums when you don't get what you want. Grow a spine and stand up to your company/union and quit ****ting on everyone else's company to make yourselves feel better. That's not going to get you guys down the road at all. AAG can just as easily rip the rug out from under you as they can anyone else, so what's yours can just as easily be not yours at the whim of papa Parker. No one is safe at any company - even Envoy - and I'm sure the guys that have been around for a long time will tell you the same thing.

 

Your contract says your union has to agree to furlough mitigation strategies. The fact that those concessions were already in your contract is just a technicality.
I don't want to get into comparisons between different regionals. No-one is safe, I believe in "full pay until last day". No-one is forced to take this deal.

 

That's a lot of words to say "we didn't take concessions except for these concessions"

Although those aren't bad and I would say worth it for 50hrs paid leave

 

Worth repeating.