I’ve been saying this for over a month on the Envoy forums. Somebody had to play the part of Stephen A. Smith and break the news to bonafide scrubs like the THKooj.

https://youtu.be/6PP4RT-vv-o

 

[QUOTE=Finessed;3177866]I’ve been saying this for over a month on the Envoy forums. Somebody had to play the part of Stephen A. Smith and break the news to bonafide scrubs like the THKooj.

https://youtu.be/6PP4RT-vv-o[/QUOTE]

I’ve been saying this since this all began. AA’s debt situation was concerning prior to 2020. Now the alarm bells are ringing and there’s no one who can put out the fire. I think 2021/22 are going to be painful years.

 

Well if AA goes chapter 11 or 7 and over 10,000 pilots are potentially out of jobs, at least y'all (and others here who have been nothing but doom and gloom about AA) can pat yourselves on the back, feeling good about yourselves, and boasting about how right you were and toast to it over beers.

 

I wouldn’t relish being right. Just saying... People have called me crazy. People have said I have no clue what I’m talking about. Not so crazy now that we’re almost a year into this. And we aren’t even at half time yet. This has a long way to go to see it all played out.

 

This isn’t about egos, this is about reality. Not even saying AA management did anything wrong, they can scarcely expect to be able to anticipate a once in a century pandemic event. They aren’t prescient and it isn’t their field and if the assumption EVERYBODY was making about domestic and international flying had come true the money spent on fleet renewal would have been a wise investment. Nobody’s rejoicing at the prospect of AA being downsized, pilots furloughed, or a bankruptcy occurring. But the biological black swan event did occur.

If a truthful analysis of current AA prospects causes uninformed people to have a better understanding of what is going on and to be able to hedge their bets or seek the best option to provide and care for their family, what’s your b|tch?

Sounds like you just want to shoot the messengers. They didn’t cause the problem, they are just spreading the message.

 

It’s the constant fear mongering. Any stats or opinions given out right now don’t mean anything, you know it and I know it. I honestly enjoyed your take and others take over the months but now it’s getting old. We deal with it enough about the elections and the virus itself.

To make any speculation right now is hairless. I’m not psychoanalzing you or mean disrespect but we already have a few guys on these threads that are so negative and often wrong on their predictions. While fun the opinions may be, right now it’s minuscule, so be prepared for more negative comments on your speculations. The facts and numbers you mention could change overnight wether for bad or good


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Y'all are missing the important point.

AAL 2023 puts are still fantastically cheap for a company in as much trouble as AAL is, and there's a lot of evidence that 2022 is gonna be a bad year for AAL.

 

Quoting info from the company SEC releases they are required by law to make is FACT, not fear mongering. Contradicting the postings of people who erroneously believe that bond purchase coupons are somehow ‘negotiated’ with bond buyers, or that bond buyers even have free rein over the bonds they CAN by (they don’t, most are mutual funds limited in the ratings of the bonds they can buy by their own prospectus) is not fear mongering, it’s relieving ignorance.

Anybody who doesn’t take the time to take a good hard look into the prospects and viability of a company he/she intends to invest years of their life into, or a major they intend to invest decades of their life into, is doing a disservice to him/herself and their family, especially in this career field where relative seniority is the name of the game and anytime you have to start over you go to the bottom.

And anybody with a sort of ‘Inshallah’ attitude, who believes that “The facts and numbers you mention could change overnight wether for bad or good,” and that we therefore ought not to worry ourselves about them, ought to seriously ask themselves if 121 flying is the right career for them.

 

Show me on this doll where the big bad Envoy hurt you. Seriously, you come here ad nauseaum blasting out "facts" which really aren't facts by the way about how American is doomed to fail. You really don't know what you're talking about. My bet is on you got fired from Envoy and are still trying to choke down the bitter pill of not being an American Airlines pilot.

 

Again, it's not like there isn't a single member here who hasn't seen at least one of your dozens of AA doom and gloom posts.

In addition to your new and insightful AA outlook that we haven't seen dozens of other times, the life advice is great, because we didn't know that it would be in our best interest to look into the companies we want to spend our career with. Good tip.

Airlines are based on seniority? If I start over I have to go to the bottom of the seniority list? Wow, didn't know that, another great tip.

Based on Excargodog's expert, new, insightful advice that none of us have even considered before, I might seriously ask myself if 121 flying is the right career for me. Dude, get over yourself.