Originally Posted by Excargodog

Quoting info from the company SEC releases they are required by law to make is FACT, not fear mongering. Contradicting the postings of people who erroneously believe that bond purchase coupons are somehow ‘negotiated’ with bond buyers, or that bond buyers even have free rein over the bonds they CAN by (they don’t, most are mutual funds limited in the ratings of the bonds they can buy by their own prospectus) is not fear mongering, it’s relieving ignorance.

Anybody who doesn’t take the time to take a good hard look into the prospects and viability of a company he/she intends to invest years of their life into, or a major they intend to invest decades of their life into, is doing a disservice to him/herself and their family, especially in this career field where relative seniority is the name of the game and anytime you have to start over you go to the bottom.

And anybody with a sort of ‘Inshallah’ attitude, who believes that “The facts and numbers you mention could change overnight wether for bad or good,” and that we therefore ought not to worry ourselves about them, ought to seriously ask themselves if 121 flying is the right career for them.

Originally Posted by THKooj

Show me on this doll where the big bad Envoy hurt you. Seriously, you come here ad nauseaum blasting out "facts" which really aren't facts by the way about how American is doomed to fail. You really don't know what you're talking about. My bet is on you got fired from Envoy and are still trying to choke down the bitter pill of not being an American Airlines pilot.

Originally Posted by THKooj

Show me on this doll where the big bad Envoy hurt you. Seriously, you come here ad nauseaum blasting out "facts" which really aren't facts by the way about how American is doomed to fail. You really don't know what you're talking about. My bet is on you got fired from Envoy and are still trying to choke down the bitter pill of not being an American Airlines pilot.

Originally Posted by LabDad06

Again, it's not like there isn't a single member here who hasn't seen at least one of your dozens of AA doom and gloom posts.

In addition to your new and insightful AA outlook that we haven't seen dozens of other times, the life advice is great, because we didn't know that it would be in our best interest to look into the companies we want to spend our career with. Good tip.

Airlines are based on seniority? If I start over I have to go to the bottom of the seniority list? Wow, didn't know that, another great tip.

Based on Excargodog's expert, new, insightful advice that none of us have even considered before, I might seriously ask myself if 121 flying is the right career for me. Dude, get over yourself.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Feel free to block or disregard all my posts since they apparently disturb you. It won’t bother me in the least. Have a good day.

Originally Posted by Cyio

Out of curiosity as I am too lazy to look right now, but ...

Originally Posted by Excargodog

What is curious is someone denigrating someone else for posting well researched facts while admitting he’s too lazy to do his own research...

Originally Posted by Cyio

Out of curiosity as I am too lazy to look right now, but are you posting these exact same messages in the AA, PSA and Piedmont forums?

If you have been, good on ya. If not, it clearly lends to the argument of bias. I could really care less to be honest but I thought it would be interesting to know.

Originally Posted by TransWorld

Just curious myself, and had the time. The last 150 posts (all that is shown). No posts to AA, PSA, nor Piedmont forums. Mostly posts to Envoy and COVID-19. Don’t know about previous posts. Someone can get angry with me, but I am just sharing facts.

Originally Posted by coodrough568

We all commend your hate for Envoy, we really do. Get a life. If you’re seriously at Delta and have to come to regional forums to talk $hit like you do to feel better about yourself, we all feel sorry for you.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Not saying it is worthless, and yes, some people who would not otherwise EVER make it to the majors might make it because of flow. But hasn’t AA limited it to a max of 15 pilots a month? And I thought Envoy had about 2500 people on their own seniority list, so what the newbie deciding on a regional is actually looking at is this:

Over the last 10 years AA hiring has averaged about 250 a year. Right now they are over staffed by 300 pilots even with 1500 on furlough due to their aircraft fleet consolidation. With age related retirements, let’s say they boost that number up to recalling 750 furloughed pilots a year if international flying recovers as quickly as domestic flying (which it likely won’t) that’s still two years and four months before the FIRST guy can flow. So starting in March of 2023 the first of the 2500 people ahead of a new hire will flow, and assuming there is continuous hiring EVERY MONTH that will be 180 flowing a year. Now even if 700 people ahead of him/her either don’t ever flow (too senior and old to give up QOL at the regional to sit reserve FO at AA) or get selected to go to a major outside of the flow, that’s still ten years - March of 2033, before the newbie at a WO can expect to flow.

Now if for geographic reasons it makes sense for someone to choose an AA wholly owned over another regional they ought to do that - not because of flow, but because commuting is a pain, commuting to reserve is especially a pain, and commuting to a regional is particularly bad. But choosing a regional because of flow? Right now you are looking at 10-12 years. If you have no college degree and no intention of getting one, or have a spotty training record or mishap history that would make it unlikely you would get an offer from a major any other way...well, maybe flow would be more of an inducement.

But for Joe Average guy breaking in to the 121 world? I don’t see it being a serious factor.