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Mgt increasing flow it the cheapest thing they could do. Knowing that the flow is REALISTIC, will keep the mid level pilots here, saving training costs in the long run. No one said anything about giving anything away to get it, nor did anyone say anything about it being the pilots job to keep people or bring them in.

The company want people to come and stay long enough to flow they need to make the flow realistic and someplace people are willing to stay until they do flow.

As long as flow is all but worthless and QOL is crap, few will stay long enough to see a line as captain, let alone to flow.

No reason for pilots to give anything up. It will be better than cost neutral as longer retention is cost saving.

Here we go. SCC for all this weekend.

you mean the senior few people in each seat who don't have one of the 99% of lines with tons of carryover?

Well if we’re splitting hairs.

What do carryover lines have to do with July 24-25?

If you only get 12-13 days off and lose a day or two due to C/O it's not long until you're at 11 days off..

But you do have to be one of the senior ones that had a line with the weekend off.

So still 3 days to pick up OT.

think ill take the weekend off and burn a few burgers and put the fire out with bourbon

The MEC doesn’t get paid for working OT. Any OT flying they do goes back into the Union coffers.


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Thats only the officers. LEC reps who actually vote for things get paid the same as normal line pilots.

Our voice was not heard.

“In unity”

‘Voy MEC strikes again. At least the ORD pilot group was smart enough to get enough lips to the ears of the CA rep to get him a no vote. Seems like the rest either didn’t talk to their reps or really don’t understand how to negotiate from a position of power. Great job giving recruitment a new thing to advertise days before Oshkosh for the second time. Fing imbiciles.

Considering this company’s reputation amongst potential new hires, coupled with the fact that they can go to PSA for a quicker flow with better QOL. Why anyone would come here after 2018 makes me question that pilot’s critical thinking and judgement.

The “reps” were dead set on signing it from the start. They did not even care about pilot input. I am very concerned about this new MEC. They seem clueless and they seem like pushovers. At least TC and company had a spine and communicated with the pilot group. These guys are an embarrassment. If will be interesting to see how these clowns manage to screw us on the cost neutral negotiations going forward.

Alpa has many ways to screw over a political group and alpa enjoys doing it to envoy pilots.
enjoy.

He already flowed on paper and was immediately TDY’d back to Envoy. Golden parachute well established.

He’s out on his first IOE trip loving life....

That was JW, not RW.
He flowed, then "TDYd" back to Envoy, and then somehow qualified for the VEOP program, after less than a year since DOH.

So, how many vacations and JM’s did we save in August?

None, they're still going to happen.

Not me. Don't answer phone and just walk away.
SCC is company trying to fill the holes in the Swiss cheese.

The idea that we're supposed to sacrifice one of our 12 days off to fly their turbofubar RIC turn with a 4.99 hour sit in the outstation is insulting to me. my min expectation is 15 days off (and idc if that's entitled, competently run outfits deliver this). Envoy is already on my time with the schedules like they are. not doing it.

Republic and skw have 17 days off with 90 hour lines. Inquiring minds would like to know why envoy for six years has been 14 days 73 hours.
Since rah and skw fly more for aag maybe they should first reduce there fuel burns because here at envoy most flight are on fumes before departure.
sorry for slight off topic.

I guess they calculate “industry leading pay” the same way they calculate a 5 year flow.

why bonuses though, we have a 5.5 year flow

f cadets
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Wow, that’s a pretty significant difference. I have a CJO with Envoy and was looking forward to a class, but maybe I need to look at Republic.

‘You better be okay commuting to LGA, BOS, or a outstation.

Yeah and SKW will deadhead you out of base to sit airport standby or even leave you stranded in Colorado without a hotel. We also have lines with 17 days off, it obviously goes senior. Same for them.

The result? Every regional sucks, that’s why we need to get in and get out!


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It is NOT because of PBS.

Fleet quality: Envoy flies jets!

Like before flow won't get them in the door need bonuses just like every regional. Envoy is last on the pecking order of aag regionals for monthly schedules, skw and rah get there pick first.

Someone should let recruiting know this one doesn't apply anymore

Well, first of all it is not really true at least for Republic. I am sure there are a handful of people that lucked out and got schedules that credited that much with that many days off, but you could probably count them on a single hand. But in reality if you are crediting 90 hours you most likely have 14 days off give or take a day.

Location, Location, Location. Pick a stable regional with a base close to where you live/want to live.