What is envoys currently fleet plan for the E145? Retiring a certain amount of aircraft per month?

There's one more 140 scheduled to park soon. As far as I know, the 145s aren't scheduled to be parked.

How many 145s are still left in the envoy fleet?

You get a call or email? First or second class for Oct?

Way too many. 57 was the last number I saw, as of May, with no schedule for divestment.

That is what is reported on Plane spotters:

Envoy
1 E140
57 E145
1 E170
98 E175

Piedmont
57 E145

PSA
61 CRJ-700
69 CRJ-900

Rumor has Envoy transferring more E145s to Piedmont starting Sept 2021. Also, it appears Envoy has a significant order (62?) of new E175s, likely to backfill for those E145s, plus potentially some growth. But those are unconfirmed rumors.

Will Piedmont fly those additions birds or will they retire some of their oldest E145s? Don’t know. Will those additional E175s mean reduced flying for the non WO regionals flying for AA? Don’t know.

Where does it “appear” that more 175s are on order? The last six new ones were sold off to RAH. AAG and ENY has always made a BIG deal of any new 175 aircraft LONG before they were ever seen (last of the order took almost five years to show up, and technically the last six were used 170s instead). Especially the way ENY is going on recruiting now, I’d think they would want that info officially released, yesterday.

The way past transfers and divestments went and with training being what it is, if they announced tomorrow that all the 145s were going away, it would take at least three years to make it happen.

Just my ear to the ground. Consider it unsubstantiated from an unnamed source. I promised confidentiality.

Considering an aircraft purchase of that size is a pretty big deal, I doubt there are a dozen people that would know about it unless it’s announcement was imminent.

But, I guess one of the ramper’s sister’s hairdresser would probably be one of those dozen.

As far as any of the non-WOs loosing flying, SKW just added a bunch of planes to the contract. If any of them loose anything it would be Mesa, but even that has been extended, albeit in a slightly reduced and constrained manner.

I really don’t see PDT growing. I think when ever the rest of 145s do finally start to go away from ENY the total number AAG flies will just be reduced. Don’t know the age/hours/cycles of PDTs aircraft, but I just don’t see them doing much more than they are now. But that’s just a personal SWAG.

62 new planes is a big debt load.

Considering September is right around the corner with schedules being pretty firm by now, that would also likely have been announced by now.

Not sure as of now which class they're giving to our interview pool, we're getting that info in the next week or two. Latest by the 1st week of September.

Did they schedule you an atp ctp and orientation yet?

Negative, just an EFC for those details. They definitely are running short-staffed in the recruiting department so things aren't moving.

We were told after being given the "pre-offer" to expect to hear from them regarding the exact date come September. Spoke to my recruiter this morning who told me that all furloughed pilots/cadets are in class now, the most recent being this week IIRC

The ensuing classes will be new hires entirely.

thats why skw and rah will buy them with a 12 year contract with aag, then envoy will be free to park the e145's with no effect to the aag schedule.
easy.
p.s.
Envoy will shrink. That way when envoy flows it will look as a larger percentage of envoy pilots are flowing monthly.
Just an opinion based on past aag shaft jobs

As AAG has more trouble paying their debts, the odds of Envoy or any of the other wholly-owneds getting spun-off or shutdown further increase. I'm sure a place like SkyWest or Republic would be happy to take newer E175s off of AA's hands.

If you haven't done so look at the last State of the airline. Where AAG paid 1 billion debt down overnight and is planning to reduce another 15 billion by 2030. Inflation is horrible for us but is helping AAG. Parker actually said AAG has too much liquidity.

UAL just added 40 billion debt with their purchase and DAL buying used planes is just delaying the inevitable.

I sort of agree. AA needed the debt to refresh their fleet. They did so when it made sense. United just got insanely luckily with this order because I’m sure they’re getting a hell of a discount. Delta should have followed UA, but they are going with used airplanes which will ultimately lead them to buy newer planes when prices rebound. However, the current debt load at AA even with our liquidity is something to be incredibly concerned about. Another Covid2.0 and this ship is sunk. Cheap flights got people into the door, but our awful customer service is kicking the higher paying pax out the door in waves. Those are the ones we need to survive.

Aag will just go after more spirit paxs. As it is aa flights resemble spirit flights in the cabin.

tbh our miami pax are worse than the average spirit pax anywhere else.

So the former LGA chief pilot who decided to bid over the the 175 earlier this year appears to have had his seat lock removed but others still have one. I am sure that RN cut a deal
of some sort to allow RF to be released from his seat lock so he can flow on time.

We all so that one coming. He’s just a tiny bit late to the party

Daddy Doug is making everyone get the poke. How many of the Facebook warriors will quit their jobs over this? Upward movement courtesy of the anti-vax army.

What’s the deadline?

What does it mean bid "over" the 175?

It means he switched aircraft. If I remember correctly he was a CRJ FO when he became chief pilot. Then he upgraded onto the 145. But during the pandemic he switched and bid to the 175. Because it was voluntary, he had a seat lock… which has been conveniently released.

I'm guessing almost no one will quit. Some will get it, many will upload fake cards which AA will not investigate because it is not in their interests to do so. Either way, it's nothing to make light of imo, many of the side effects of the vax (myocarditis, blood clots/TIA, lightheadedness/reduced consciousness, etc. etc.) that have been documented will permanently and totally prevent you from getting a first class medical if disclosed honestly to your AME. No provision is being made for people in this situation. I guess they could sue AA maybe, probably not though since they had the option to "just quit" and therefore weren't forced.

hm

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That’s a lie. Myocarditis does not permanently prevent you from getting a first class. If you’re not sure of the proper information, might I suggest just not commenting about it in the future.

Myocarditis has a 50% 5 year survival rate, a first class medical is the least of your worries

Well I got the vaccine and I feel fine (head jerks to the side and eye ticks)...

We should have a unity vaccine party under a bridge with some of the homeless people. They seem to have plenty of doses available, but for some reason they heat them up with an open flame on a metal spoon. Oh well. I’m sure those whining on Facebook will all fall in line like the good little boys and girls that they are. Every major airline is falling in line with the mandate. Surrender or quit is the name of the game.

You need all AAG pilots to turn in their post dated letters of resignation effective that date......


I still remember the line outside the NY CP's office of guys lined up waiting their turn to go in and get fired for one of those company imposed deadline things. The CP fired the first three before the secretary told them the line stretched all the way back to the public concourse. They closed and locked the doors. The policy changed later that day, and everybody was unfired.

That's the hill you're gonna die on? That it causes myocarditis but you might be able to claw back a special issuance and get back in the cockpit? lmao

Looks like we’re making a name for ourselves in DC. I wonder how the view is sitting on top of this FO’s high horse.

https://youtu.be/jpDCXUnwH9c

“The 75” has me wanting to punch a wall. Why can’t people just be normal?

They think it's completely normal to call it the 7-5 or seventyfive. I run into someone saying that about once a month

uhhh yeah no, it is not. First of all I doubt the crew actually had the mental capacity to spot the difference between an E170 or E175. Secondly, that sounds so much like a Mainline Skywest thing to say.

Completely agree! I'm just pointing out their mentality on it. Either way, the crew in the video was very unprofessional to that controller. I'm glad some people called them out on it. I'm not familiar with DCA ops but they sound like skywest showing up and complaining in the E satellite when we all know it's a logjam 110% of the time

There is only one aircraft you should be calling the seven five and it’s the 757. When I first heard someone call the 175 the seven five a was rather confused. It does seems little Skywest mainliney.