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Swakid8 03-01-2021 05:32 PM

Looks like life is back to normal when we are fighting about the jumpsseat.

pangolin 03-01-2021 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3201324)
Looks like life is back to normal when we are fighting about the jumpsseat.

Nobody has needed one until recently.

ClappedOut145 03-01-2021 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3201310)
Check-in before OAL? We don’t need to check in at republic if we’re sitting in the back, and just so you know, we’re always ahead of OAL pilots on Eagle flights. I’d recommend you to read the jumpseat rules before talking shi+ here, it sounds like you don’t know what you’re doing, dummy.

Last year they tried this same thing in MIA. They demanded that AAG pilots had to re-list as a D6UJ and started handing out papers to gate agents informing them of the new procedure that they had decided was being implemented. While I feel for them, there is no brand loyalty for YX pilots. They can fly a flight for any of the three carriers. You cannot fence them off. If you could, then maybe they could give them some sort of perk, but a YX pilot commuting on an ORD-EWR flight isn’t going there to benefit AA in that base so why should they be able to bump off a NK, B6, DL, etc. pilot? YX signed an agreement and they should honor it. Waking up to the gate in MIA and saying to a pilot trying to get home “yeah, I know this is an AA flight and you’re a D2, but because I don’t like the contract my company signed, I am going to let the Spirit guy have the jumpseat. Tell your management if you don’t like it,” won’t buy an ounce of sympathy from us. Ask me how I know. Starting a unilateral action is not going to end well for anyone. Ok

captive apple 03-01-2021 08:32 PM

Uhh, “mainline” is a SkyWest joke, even though it’s been transforming to “heavy”, it’s ours, we like it, please do usurp it for a weak forum fight.

FltCtrlNoDsptch 03-02-2021 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3201344)
Last year they tried this same thing in MIA. They demanded that AAG pilots had to re-list as a D6UJ and started handing out papers to gate agents informing them of the new procedure that they had decided was being implemented. While I feel for them, there is no brand loyalty for YX pilots. They can fly a flight for any of the three carriers. You cannot fence them off. If you could, then maybe they could give them some sort of perk, but a YX pilot commuting on an ORD-EWR flight isn’t going there to benefit AA in that base so why should they be able to bump off a NK, B6, DL, etc. pilot? YX signed an agreement and they should honor it. Waking up to the gate in MIA and saying to a pilot trying to get home “yeah, I know this is an AA flight and you’re a D2, but because I don’t like the contract my company signed, I am going to let the Spirit guy have the jumpseat. Tell your management if you don’t like it,” won’t buy an ounce of sympathy from us. Ask me how I know. Starting a unilateral action is not going to end well for anyone. Ok

I’ll gladly give a Spirit pilot the jumpseat over an Envoy pilot any day, and I’ll smile ear-to-ear while doing it.

sanicom3205 03-02-2021 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by FltCtrlNoDsptch (Post 3201446)
I’ll gladly give a Spirit pilot the jumpseat over an Envoy pilot any day, and I’ll smile ear-to-ear while doing it.

Not following written rules because you don’t like the way it makes you feel is not the flex you think it is, captain.

captive apple 03-02-2021 05:42 AM

Correct. The answer is to end the reciprocal like we did with United when United decided to change an agreement. Jumpseat not available.

Cyio 03-02-2021 06:12 AM

Good god, what did I miss now? I still feel in the dark about the whole skywest/republic/envoy jump seat issues as I have yet to see it happen. This must be an easy coast thing.

aircraft callin 03-02-2021 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Ciceda (Post 3201032)
So Envoy never attempted to get EOW certified before a few months ago? Do you stand by that statement?



AA put the kabash on the earlier plans. FAA was ready to approve.

Dougweiser 03-02-2021 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by FltCtrlNoDsptch (Post 3201446)
I’ll gladly give a Spirit pilot the jumpseat over an Envoy pilot any day, and I’ll smile ear-to-ear while doing it.

You seem like a real cool guy to fly with


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