Sure, Envoy may very well be around, but WHAT "Envoy" is at some point in the future and what OTHER airlines are part of it (or Envoy becomes part of) is a wildcard. You forget that many of the other "staffing fodder" carriers that you claim will fuel the future Envoy fly for Delta and United, yes ?

Do you think they will stand idly by while their core business is gutted by the raiding of their feed ?

Your high, my friend, quite high.


Of course it will shrink, but only someone delusional would think THEIR regional will suck most of the other pilots up like a black hole using a scheme that could be nullified within weeks by proper response from the two entities that would have the most to lose and YOU KNOW (or should) that making a rash move to Envoy now over the latest carrot claimed to be juicy and delicious would be a foolish move. At least OTHER pilots should consider that, in my opinion.

I know misery loves company, but just because a large percentage of the current crop of Envoy pilots have a history of being duped (by their union as well), doesn't mean it's admirable to lure in even more gullible chumps.

I did that Saturday right after I cleaned my room.

I use Energizer batteries.

You really are an angry old guy aren't you?

Your reasoning is that DL/UA will magically come steal the pilots.... in other words, create a flow through direct entry program to keep the pilots at their regional feeders...

So, you'll believe it when DL/UA do it, but insist that AAG will fail, even though they're already doing it.....

That's your argument???

You're just full of hate and can't even make a rational explanation of why AAG's flow plan won't work. It's already sent 481 guys in the past few years. That's almost 1/4 of our current list.

Hate all you want. All evidence is to the contrary of what you're saying.

People just need to start ignoring him and especially need to quit quoting him. Kind of like thrustlever on EL.

So 6 years from now we will have 250 lifer CA's and everybody else gone to AA. At some point we need to staff this place with new hires. IMO, we won't be seeing open ended vacancies based on flow without new hire fo's.

Play devils advocate. Assume not one single guy comes through the doors... Our whole list still flows to AA inside of 6 years.

now play reality; the places with realistic upgrades are getting pilots. Places like ours where the upgrades are NOT because of growth will continue to have upgrades while the others stop. Where would you rather be?

an upgrade in 18-30 months once you have the mins, where you know the upgrades will continue behind you so you don't spend your life on reserve, and that you will flow to AA with no interview at all in uder 6 years.

OR

an upgrade in 18-24 months once you have the mins, where you HOPE they'll hire enough behind you before the growth stops so that you won't be stuck on reserve forever. That once the growth stops, so does the quick upgrades, and then so does the new hires.

When's the next captain vacancy at envoy coming out?

soon actually is what I've been told

Why would upgrades everywhere else but Envoy stop?

With or without Envoy's flow to AA, all the regional airlines are going to have to shut their doors inside of 5 years. You see that right?

There will be more retirements at the airlines than the regionals will be able to staff.