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06-04-2015 | 03:14 PM
#731
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BTW, your quick briefing of how the 824 came about is inaccurate. You failed to leave out the few hundred CA's with numbers who kept their Captain pay during the worst decade this industry has seen (likely would have been furloughed) and then were able to flow over at 4 year pay.
06-04-2015 | 03:17 PM
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And they've hired quite a few more then AA has in the past couple of years. AA has been trickle hiring, just look at the American Poolie thread.
There's nothing wrong at all with United or Delta and any one of us would be fortunate to go there. However, in the long run, I'd prefer to be at AA. Seniority is everything.
There's nothing wrong at all with United or Delta and any one of us would be fortunate to go there. However, in the long run, I'd prefer to be at AA. Seniority is everything.
06-04-2015 | 03:26 PM
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From what I understand, if that were to happen it's not simply a contract violation. For the "824" they would be violating a court order (don't think anyone wants to go down that road) and for the Protected Pilots it was an arbitrated agreement. After that, it is part of our CBA in which case they could go ahead and say "grieve it."
BTW, your quick briefing of how the 824 came about is inaccurate. You failed to leave out the few hundred CA's with numbers who kept their Captain pay during the worst decade this industry has seen (likely would have been furloughed) and then were able to flow over at 4 year pay.
BTW, your quick briefing of how the 824 came about is inaccurate. You failed to leave out the few hundred CA's with numbers who kept their Captain pay during the worst decade this industry has seen (likely would have been furloughed) and then were able to flow over at 4 year pay.
06-04-2015 | 03:29 PM
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You're right in terms of choosing a regional and I would never recommend everyone to come to envoy or jump-ship in a lateral move. But it's not a bad place. If I could roll back the clock 8 years and go to republic, PSA, PDT, skywest, TSA, GoJet, AWAC, or any other I don't think I would change a thing. Upgrading quickly isn't everything, but maybe that's just me.
06-04-2015 | 03:36 PM
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It's interesting you argue the concept of an arbitration award validating the transfer rights of the "824" (not a "court order") and then forget to mention it was this very same mechanism that resulted in many flows flowing at 3rd or 4th year pay. That too was as a result of an arbitration award (in fact, the same award) due to Nicolaus determination that these pilots were unfairly held back from flowing when they should have. As a result, these pilots DID get pay and B-fund credit, but no vestation in their A-funds, which was a significant blow.
06-04-2015 | 04:28 PM
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06-04-2015 | 05:27 PM
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06-04-2015 | 06:45 PM
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Parker and Co didn't need to beat Eagle they just had to beat the weakest player at the table.
Don't try and defend what PSA did.
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