They are conflicting options from the same option pool. This is gonna suck as it won't be ignored or lost on both of our MEC's.

 

This...

Someone read the PDT Contract.

 

Dude, not trying to start an argument but that isn't correct. They are from the same "pool" of options. Not only that apparently they are the FIRST batch of options

 

We'll be merged by that point, so it won't matter anyway, right? lol

 

please post the contract section defining that.

 

WHEREAS the Parties wish to ensure that Piedmont Airlines continues to operate.

NOW THEREFORE it is agreed that:

1. Piedmont Airlines Minimum Fleet Commitment and CBA "Snap Back"

a. Piedmont will maintain a minimum of twenty (20) airframes in revenue service to be operated

by pilots on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List (“Piedmont pilots’) in accordance with the terms of

the Piedmont/ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement (the “Piedmont/ALPA CBA”).

b. If the number of airframes in revenue service at Piedmont falls below twenty (20), the

Association will have the right by written notice to Piedmont to require Piedmont to put back

in place the terms and conditions of the 2013 Piedmont/ALPA CBA (the “snap back”) prior to

amendments found in the Jet Aircraft Letter of Agreement. The snap back terms and

conditions will be effective on the first day of the month following the one in which the

Association gives such notice.

c. The terms and conditions of the Career Opportunities Letter of Agreement will remain in full

force and effect whether or not the Association elects to snap back to the 2013 CBA terms

and conditions.

2. The Placement of EMB-175 Aircraft at Piedmont Airlines

a. Subject to the labor contingency found in paragraph 2.c., below, a minimum of twenty (20)

EMB-175 aircraft will be placed into revenue service at Piedmont Airlines to be operated by

Piedmont pilots in accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA.

PIEDMONT AIRLINES PILOT AGREEMENT

Letter of Agreement 19 – Jet Aircraft: Appendix D – Aircraft Commitments

b. Twenty (20) additional EMB-175 options, if exercised or turned into firm orders of new EMB-

175s from the manufacturer, will also be placed at PIedmont to be flown by Piedmont pilots in

accordance with the terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA. In the event the twenty (20) EMB-

175 options are not exercised, and instead a new order is placed with Embraer, the first

twenty (20) the EMB-175 aircraft of the new order placed with Embraer by American Airlines

Group (AAG) will be placed at Piedmont and flown by Piedmont pilots in accordance with the

terms of the Piedmont/ALPA CBA.

c. The commitments in this paragraph 2 are predicated on meaningful participation in Jet

Aircraft Negotiations by other labor groups at Piedmont. The commitment for EMB-175

aircraft herein is contingent upon reaching acceptable agreements with the AFA-represented

Flight Attendants and the IBT-represented Mechanics and related employee groups.

 

Read the whole thing again. Exactly what I said and exactly what everyone in this pilot geoup has realized, the same planes are being dealt twice. That's a problem for both of our groups. A problem for AAG. A problem for ALPA. Probably ALPA more than anyone.

Read it again. They must enter MEANINGFUL Negotiations with IBT and AFA. Also re read paragraph 2 a b and c. The options are the issue.

 

See, no options to PDT unless agreement are reach with FA and Mx. Are PDT FAs and MX in negotiations?

 

IBT is and have not been approached about the 175's and AFA is t but also, has not entered talks about 175's.

There is CLEARLY obligation for those talks on AMR's part.

THEY ARE DEALING THE PLANES TO BOTH OF US. Like I said before, I'm not trying to start a fight, just pointing out this issue and rumor has it talks are underway high within ALPA, PDT ALPA and other parties re this issue.

 

In order for this to be true, (and the ALPA reps are saying it's not) American must have only made one order for E-175s. This would be the 60 firm and 90 options that we know about. It is likely that they have another one, which allows them to make promises like these. You might want to double check with the people who actually handle those contracts, and not rely on line pilot info.