Originally Posted by diva

Upgrades are no longer needed to get with majors.

Originally Posted by DOGIII

C'mon man...
This is disingenuous at best considering new people are trying to learn the ropes.
You are right, upgrades are no longer needed. You need to upgrade AND be an lca AND have an internal rec AND all other usual boxes checked for the average guy to have a good shot..


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Originally Posted by DOGIII

C'mon man...
This is disingenuous at best considering new people are trying to learn the ropes.
You are right, upgrades are no longer needed. You need to upgrade AND be an lca AND have an internal rec AND all other usual boxes checked for the average guy to have a good shot..
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Originally Posted by diva

I agree that internal Recs is a big factor however like I said being a captain is no longer necessary. You probably have a better shot as a First Officer and a few good internal recs rather than a Captain and no internal recs. So in the end upgrades are no longer needed or a necessity. Go for the regional with the best flow allowing you to fly good performing/advanced aircraft like the CRJ-7/9 or E-175.

Originally Posted by diva

You're wrong! Had we voted NO your statement would be true. Now that the Envoy pilots voted YES with brand new E-175's rolling inn every month and flow through to AA we will be moving up at a pretty good rate. At this point Envoy has the industry leading flow through. Majors don't put as much weight on upgrades as much as they use to before. We've had plenty of Envoy First Officers going directly to United, Delta, even American etc. You CAN and SHOULD always have your apps out with all the majors including American even with our flow to AA. I'm sorry your airline have no new planes coming nor flow through. However wish you and your pilot group the best. Good luck to all new hires out there with their regional selection. Think smart. Upgrades are no longer needed to get with majors. Choose whoever has the best flow then have your apps out while you wait. Good luck guys/gals!

Originally Posted by diva

Go for the regional with the best flow allowing you to fly good performing/advanced aircraft like the CRJ-7/9 or E-175.

Originally Posted by diva

We had a First Officer at Envoy with NO turbine PIC time who got hired at United about a year ago, then within less than a year he left United to go to AA. That perfectly shows that Upgrades and Turbine PIC time is no longer a necessity to get on with majors. Get your connections and recs and you'll be fine. If your plan is to go to AA I would say you have a better chance getting on with them being at Envoy with flow through and a closer work relationship/environment with AA.

Originally Posted by Ar Pilot

He was also in the recruiting dept and extremely well connected. Not your average first officer who just got bogged down in the seniority list. He's also the only example everyone uses when they say "yeah man even FOs from envoy (only him)are getting hired at majors. You'll be fine!"