AlaskaBound

Voted in a concessionary contract willingly and overwhelmingly while the airline can't hire fast enough and AA is making record profits all while NOT in bankruptcy. Jump right on that bandwagon. Envoy voluntarily threw itself down to the level of PSA overnight. Before that you guys had a decent contract. You can NOT brag about your concessionary contract.

Bzzt

Envoy's contract is in fact not better than most, do your homework. PSA's turd that you all loved to lampoon is better than Envoy's contract. That SAP they have gives them higher credit and more days off than most are able to attain at Envoy.

Of the wholly owned AAG regionals Envoy is just as big a bottom feeder as anyone else, time to get off the high horse.

PilotCrusader

Always admired you Sam and not disagreeing with alot of what you say, but I do get a hint of "upset Compass didn't get the rest of the planes" from you sometimes lately. All the regionals have faults, even your precious Compass(what you don't pay for a hotel during training? Who else does this??).

The point of the thread is that Envoy is trying to wrap our turd sandwich up on some BS lies for new hires to devour. Some pilots have some moral fiber and are trying to get the word out: don't come to Envoy still - not that they were in the first place!

AdiosMikeFox

Oh, for heaven's sake. Talk about completely twisting my words. I never said it's solely the pilot's fault, but thanks for the lame exaggeration. Management destroyed this airline, we gave them the plugs they said they needed to stop the leaks in the sinking ship. We don't need pilots running around poking more holes.



I've answered our position and reasons in previous posts, as have other envoy pilots. At least the ones with some level of maturity. Go dig up those old arguments if you want to, I'm not wasting any more time on that subject.

eaglefly

He's dancing as fast as he can to polish the peanut-laden turd that Envoy has apparently become. If he can't buff it to a high enough sheen, others will see it for what it is as opposed to the Baby Ruth he wants them to think it is. Just talked to a couple of F/O's and they had nothing good to say. Nothing. Apparently a new-hire class of IIRC only 4 just started, so it looks like no stampede is forming and attrition is something like 55-60/month. They both plan to take their contract "bonus" (or whatever it's called) and hit the bricks ASAP.

I don't see how Envoy is going to turn into an upgrade mill and it seems likely Envoy will be in full-blown crisis mode within 6 months depending on how fast they plan to shrink.

oldnewguy

How many pilots are getting the bonus? and whats keeping those pilots from jumping ship as soon as they get it? How does Envoy plan on staffing if there is a mass exodus?

pete2800

Alaska Airlines, for one.

Bzzt

I'm fairly sure there is no "plan" at Envoy.

AlaskaBound

First of all I'm not sure who Sam is. You can call me that if you want though. It's a good strong Christian name.

Anyway, we don't need any more 175s thank you very much. We have enough on our plates. I have always said (look back at my previous posts to prove it) that "Eagle" should get them. So you're wrong there. No admiration whatsoever of your crap sandwich over at Envoy.

You know who else doesn't pay for a good portion of training hotels? Delta! Alaska Airlines also doesn't pay for hotels. I'm sure there are others. Compass should get their act together and start paying though. I feel terrible for the new hires.

snippercr

It will eventually but just not in any of our time here at eagle. While a lot of people claim management only looks at THIS quarter, this whole agreement process has showed that they really have a long term plan they want to work on. It's not a SPECIFIC plan like 117 airplanes at this carrier, 54 airplanes at the other carrier, etc but more a generic plan and strategy.

There is no movement at eagle because as we shrink we are flowing and attriting people from all ranks while not hiring YET havent furloughed anyone.

Once we reach the size they want us to (68 145s + 40 175s = 108 or ~1500 pilots) the flow will finally cause movement and lower upgrade time, especially as growth at other carriers stops (PSA namely) they will stop acting as a pilot magnet. This has been the plan all along to have envoy act as the direct entry method to AA all the way from cradle to grave - you sign up as a pipeline instructor, you instruct, go to envoy, go to AA. All on 1 interview.

Again, this is not a 6 month plan - this is the 10 year plan so no, no one here will ever see a "fast" upgrade so I guess my entire point is moot.