Envoy to get 100% flow to AA.
09-03-2015, 06:11 AM
#501
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Originally Posted by buddies8
company wants satellite base-
miami e145 cover republic.
N.Y. crj to cover TSA and republic
DFW CRJ to cover aspen since faa told psa to pi ss up a rope.
LAX E175 for the compass flying coming back per vp of flt ops.
phl e175 because the pdt e145 wont work
envoy will only have two concrete bases dfw and ord, pilots from satellite bases must show up in one of these two for disciplinary issues.
miami e145 cover republic.
N.Y. crj to cover TSA and republic
DFW CRJ to cover aspen since faa told psa to pi ss up a rope.
LAX E175 for the compass flying coming back per vp of flt ops.
phl e175 because the pdt e145 wont work
envoy will only have two concrete bases dfw and ord, pilots from satellite bases must show up in one of these two for disciplinary issues.
09-03-2015, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Are satellite bases designed to become long-term permanent or do they just serve a temporary purpose without the requirement to commit a large amount of resources ?
If it is the latter, what is the message there ?
The AA regional network is simply in a state of transition. The pilots shortage has forced AAG to make some unplanned changes, but the future plan hasn't changed. The clues are there, one just needs to look for them without letting their own "facts" cloud their vision.
Some are and some clearly are not doing that. Another clue ?
The 824 is being accelerated a bit to ensure that arbitrated situation is no longer in play at future point X. Was it a coincidence the AA/LUS merger was consummated on December 9, 2013 just days AFTER the last Letter 3 flow and the beginning of street hiring/824 flow at AA ?
Perhaps I am simply just "out of touch" with the situation as another claims though ?
If it is the latter, what is the message there ?
The AA regional network is simply in a state of transition. The pilots shortage has forced AAG to make some unplanned changes, but the future plan hasn't changed. The clues are there, one just needs to look for them without letting their own "facts" cloud their vision.
Some are and some clearly are not doing that. Another clue ?
The 824 is being accelerated a bit to ensure that arbitrated situation is no longer in play at future point X. Was it a coincidence the AA/LUS merger was consummated on December 9, 2013 just days AFTER the last Letter 3 flow and the beginning of street hiring/824 flow at AA ?
Perhaps I am simply just "out of touch" with the situation as another claims though ?
09-03-2015, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
Protected Pilots are also part of an arbitrated award. They really can't mess with either group.
824 = arbitration
Protected pilots = settlement
After protected pilots and new hires = contract
I think that's how it goes, not sure. Most agree that the only ones that are "safe" are the 824, beyond that, who the hell knows
09-03-2015, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mr25cents
Not sure about that:
824 = arbitration
Protected pilots = settlement
After protected pilots and new hires = contract
I think that's how it goes, not sure. Most agree that the only ones that are "safe" are the 824, beyond that, who the hell knows
824 = arbitration
Protected pilots = settlement
After protected pilots and new hires = contract
I think that's how it goes, not sure. Most agree that the only ones that are "safe" are the 824, beyond that, who the hell knows
That is my understanding. Parker seems really sure that he can entice regional pilots to his wholly owned by the flow, over having to increase pay. I would be surprised if he messed with it. Seems like his holy grail solution to the shortage of pilots willing to work for janitor wages. Its also a way to ensure that his most expensive pilots leave first. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe he would do it out the of kindness of his heart. I think he just sees it as a cheaper solution. Nice thing about the flow, you can still apply at Delta, United, Spirit, JetBlue, Atlas etc etc all you want. Just because you are waiting in line doesn't mean you can't take other opportunities as they come along. About half of the envoy pilots I talk to feel this way. They are not just sitting around waiting on the flow but its nice to have in the event that all else fails.
09-03-2015, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
the compass flying thats 'coming back' in 2020?
09-03-2015, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by unity2015
From Jetnet....As Envoy prepares to welcome 40 new Embraer 175 (E175) aircraft to our fleet, we’re looking for the best-trained professionals available to provide safe, reliable and courteous service to American’s customers. Earn an extra $1,000 for referring pilots to Envoy, where they’ll have an unmatched opportunity to flow-through to American and continue their aviation career. The process is simple: 1) fill out an online form for a qualified applicant who has not already begun the recruitment process; and 2) if that pilot gets hired, passes training and stays with the company six months, you get paid. American and US Airways employees are also encouraged to refer pilots to any of AAG’s wholly owned regional carriers and earn a bonus. Refer a pilot today!
Okay...what does that have to do with the compass flying?
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09-03-2015, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mr25cents
Not sure about that:
824 = arbitration
Protected pilots = settlement
After protected pilots and new hires = contract
I think that's how it goes, not sure. Most agree that the only ones that are "safe" are the 824, beyond that, who the hell knows
824 = arbitration
Protected pilots = settlement
After protected pilots and new hires = contract
I think that's how it goes, not sure. Most agree that the only ones that are "safe" are the 824, beyond that, who the hell knows
They are not. Several scenarios can result in that provision being either diluted or eliminated. I don't see elimination, but I do see dilution as a result of consolidation to include other pilots not presently part of Envoy. The path to Utopia will almost certainly be far slower then many believe.
09-03-2015, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4Hire35
Envoy -----> Endeavor....should I do it? Live in NY, been at envoy just under 2 years. Help
Not that much of a pay difference for the first yr anyway. You'll go from going on 3rd yr pay here to $25/hr again plus the bonus, which who knows how long that will last.. You give up 2 years of seniority to go to the very bottom of another crappy unstable company with Lifer RSVs like we have?
Why would you do that to yourself? Go to someplace with actual career progression or just stay here, keep applying upwards, keep flow in back pocket.. things are moving, not that fast but still way better than Endeavor..
09-04-2015, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Yes, many not in the 824 pilot group which is a defined arbitral award as opposed to the "protected pilots" which are essentially at the whim of a Collective Bargaining Agreement think they are Golden.
They are not. Several scenarios can result in that provision being either diluted or eliminated. I don't see elimination, but I do see dilution as a result of consolidation to include other pilots not presently part of Envoy. The path to Utopia will almost certainly be far slower then many believe.
They are not. Several scenarios can result in that provision being either diluted or eliminated. I don't see elimination, but I do see dilution as a result of consolidation to include other pilots not presently part of Envoy. The path to Utopia will almost certainly be far slower then many believe.
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