PilotLife4me

Some things never change.

PilotLife4me

Are you serious? I guess no one cares about the 12-4 cap. Just imagine if the very first contract was accepted over two years ago. Envoy or Eagle would have been "the place" months ago. Now we are left we the current contract (worse off in a lot areas) ,500ish pilots gone, less flying, and most the MEC is at AA or going to flow AA. Not trying to start something, just food for thought.

PW4060

This is from http://pilotjobs.atpflightschool.com/envoy-air/:

For those of us that have been in this industry a long time, we clearly understand the cycles.
After a period of change and uncertainty, Im pleased to see a much more positive outlook
here at Envoy.

Envoy to Retain More CRJ-700 Flying: Pedro's announcement today means that we will
transfer 12 instead of 18 CRJ-700s to PSA during 2015. Envoy will continue to fly the
remaining fleet of 35 CRJ-700s until transfers to PSA resume in of the second half of 2016.
This translates into an additional 30 Captain positions, bringing our forecasted requirement
for Captain upgrades between now and the end of 2016 to around 230. This is terrific news,
expect a new vacancy bid shortly to cover these new flying requirements.

Large Cabin E175: June 1, we reached a major milestone in the launch of the E175, with
all of our Flight Operating Manuals submitted to the FAA for approval. This puts us well
underway for our first aircraft acceptance scheduled for November of this year and on
course for us to operate a fleet of 28 two-class E175s by year end 2016. Initial pilot awards
are complete and training is scheduled to begin in late August.

Pilot Flow to American: Since January 2013, Envoy has successfully advanced 481 pilots
to American Airlines, strictly seniority based with no additional interview requirement. We
project that an additional 100 pilots will move to American by year end and we expect
approximately the same rate of flow throughout 2016.

Time to Captain: A new hire at Envoy today is projected to make Captain at Envoy within
2.5 years and is projected to flow through to American within 6 years of date of hire.

Here we go! The momentum is building.

Capt Ric Wilson
Vice President - Flight Operations Envoy

So, two-and-a-half years to captain for a new hire at Envoy? This was posted August 3, 2015.

PW4060

There, this one works:

PilotJobs | Envoy Air

PilotLife4me

Well, I'm just shy of 2.5 years and I just finished up airport standby. So it's really tough to say, but yes as of now it appears movement is about to happen. But 2.5 years for a new hire...who knows?

Saabless

Do the math. With 20-30 pilots/month flowing, there will be quite a bit of movement. If I were coming to the regionals, I would give Envoy some serious consideration. Upgrade time within a few years, then flowing to AA not long after that. Beats flying for Trans States or Mesa for several years, then on to Allegiant or some other lateral move for several more years. Then getting hired by a legacy several years later...if you're lucky enough to get an interview.

CBreezy

There are plenty of people from TSA and Mesa who have gone straight to a legacy. It's literally the same regional as a place like Envoy or PSA just without a flow. The flow would be nice, but it's not like you won't ever get to a legacy from a non-wholly-owned.

Saabless

You'll still most likely get to a legacy at non wholly owned regionals. Most however end up getting PIC time at regionals after several years then hop over to Spirit or JetBlue, stick it out there for several more years, then get on with a legacy if they're lucky. Envoy gives you a direct faster way to AA and options to apply at other carriers while they're waiting for their flow.

billyho

Exactly what Parker wanted.

PilotLife4me

Guys have been flowing ever since I came here. I came here because of the flow, thinking it would cause a lot of movement. After we turned down multiple contracts here we are. We are being told that we need to be "the right sized." If anybody knows what that means please chime in. We are still losing 145s to be "right sized". Once we are the right size then yes I believe the quick movement could start to happen.
One thing I've noticed about envoy is that a lot of captains are content on waiting to flow. Most of them live in Dallas, so it makes sense. Although this does slow down captain attrition. Some are motivated to move on, but I would say the majority are not. My point is if you come here banking on the flow, and suddenly for whatever reason the flow is stopped you could be stuck. I'm not saying don't come to envoy, but it's no guarantee like every where else. If the flow continues we will be in good shape.
This vacancy bid defiantly helps the guys that have been stuck on reserve for 3 years or more. We will see how junior it goes.