Envoy Vacancy Bid Released
08-09-2015, 02:19 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
That is currently true. I'm sure that it has mostly been to get rid of those expensive pesky senior captains rather than out of the kindness of AAG management. What happens after the 824 and captains are much less senior as well as capped at 12 year pay? I bet the percentage begins a downward trend as the 824 comes to an end.
No cap if they don't send at least 220 each year.
08-09-2015, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bootleg
What you guys aren't factoring in is the overlap. It's gonna bite a lot of you right in the @ss. Don't be stupid guys. Don't by a bill of goods from these mutts. Anyone that believes ANYTHING that comes from this companies mouth will get exactly what they deserve. The "management" at eagleconvoy are just parroting what their handlers tell them. They don't know their @ss from a hole in the ground.
When the USAir/AA seniority gets fully integrated and implemented there is gonna be some surprised people at the w/o regionals.
You guys better be beating the he!! out of the bushes trying to get out of there to Delta or United or swa.
When the USAir/AA seniority gets fully integrated and implemented there is gonna be some surprised people at the w/o regionals.
You guys better be beating the he!! out of the bushes trying to get out of there to Delta or United or swa.
Don't throw stones without telling them what you mean. Do you even know what you mean or are you just making crap up now?
They already revised their hiring for next year. It was originally to be 341 to replace retirements. Their latest is they expect to hire 500 next year.
So, what's your big - post seniority list merger - news? I'd like to know too.
08-09-2015, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bootleg
Has your "union" not even mentioned this to you guys?
Probably too busy eating lobsters and drinking expensive alcohol to notice.
That is sad.
Probably too busy eating lobsters and drinking expensive alcohol to notice.
That is sad.
Tell us then, what exactly do you think will happen with a merged seniority list. Will all those pilots all of a sudden magically continue flying past age 65? No?
And there is no provision in Envoy's or Piedmont's flow language about a merged seniority list at mainline. If anything it would increase Envoy's flow since US Air's pilots are that much older than AA's on average. Envoy still gets 50% of each class and Piedmont still gets their share (can't remember the number off the top of my head) and PSA still gets their 4 interviews per month.
Nice try.
08-09-2015, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Short version
No cap if they don't send at least 220 each year.
No cap if they don't send at least 220 each year.
08-09-2015, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
You never even addressed what i really said, the percentage dropping from the current 70% that you so frequently tout. Also, 220/yr < 20/mo
They are, and are just under 70% for the year.
220 was picked specifically because they didn't know what AA's hiring will be each month for the next 10 years and it gives them a small buffer in case AA classes are smaller than 40 new hires. If classes get too small... Under 220 for the year, we step up in pay above the cap.
There's tons of details people seem to ignore. You might want to go actually read it all before posting your expert analysis
08-09-2015, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
We are entitled to 50%. The agreement says they'll send more when they can.
They are, and are just under 70% for the year.
220 was picked specifically because they didn't know what AA's hiring will be each month for the next 10 years and it gives them a small buffer in case AA classes are smaller than 40 new hires. If classes get too small... Under 220 for the year, we step up in pay above the cap.
There's tons of details people seem to ignore. You might want to go actually read it all before posting your expert analysis
They are, and are just under 70% for the year.
220 was picked specifically because they didn't know what AA's hiring will be each month for the next 10 years and it gives them a small buffer in case AA classes are smaller than 40 new hires. If classes get too small... Under 220 for the year, we step up in pay above the cap.
There's tons of details people seem to ignore. You might want to go actually read it all before posting your expert analysis
08-09-2015, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
Question, Cujo...Because envoy management is sending above the required 50% now, does that mean that down the road they could send send less then the required percentage if conditions warrant it in their eyes?
I believe AA looks at it from a "year-end" stand point. So if they spend the first 8 months of a given year sending above the minimum then theoretically they could flow zero in the final four months and still be legal.
However, sending more than required doesn't carry over into the next year. So on January 1st 2016 we are back to zero. However many flowed in 2015 doesn't carry over.
Clear as mud? There may be a point or two I'm forgetting about without sitting down and looking over the exact language...but that's the gist of it.
08-09-2015, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
We are entitled to 50%. The agreement says they'll send more when they can.
They are, and are just under 70% for the year.
220 was picked specifically because they didn't know what AA's hiring will be each month for the next 10 years and it gives them a small buffer in case AA classes are smaller than 40 new hires. If classes get too small... Under 220 for the year, we step up in pay above the cap.
There's tons of details people seem to ignore. You might want to go actually read it all before posting your expert analysis
They are, and are just under 70% for the year.
220 was picked specifically because they didn't know what AA's hiring will be each month for the next 10 years and it gives them a small buffer in case AA classes are smaller than 40 new hires. If classes get too small... Under 220 for the year, we step up in pay above the cap.
There's tons of details people seem to ignore. You might want to go actually read it all before posting your expert analysis
The issue I brought up is you once again "carrying the company's water" by touting ad naseaum that LOOK, ENVOY HAS FLOWED 70% OF AA NEW HIRES THIS YEAR. Other than pointing out you wearing the recruiting/management mouthpiece hat, my point was not to expect 70% to continue beyond AAG directly benefiting from it. Expect a decline, hopefully to not any lower than the agreement, but this company does have a history of not giving a crap about agreements and letting arbitrators figure it out YEARS later. We are currently in the lucky position, in this instance, of our desires being aligned.
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