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Old 03-15-2016 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Allegiant is not even in the same class as the other 3 listed, and way below Jetblue.
It seems he doesn't know what is a LCC and ULCC.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KC135
Would somebody mind telling me how many pilots are on the seniority list from 2000 to the end of 2011?
From the beginning of 2000 to the end of 2011 we have ~1300 pilots on the seniority list. Not sure where WHAT got his numbers.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Yeah, Envoy is going to shrink. That's a fact. The only question is, can Envoy get enough new hires to keep the flow going? Or will the flow turn into a trickle after the last of the 824 leave the building.

You really should go back to making up threads like the Mesa Lies that you did. You certainly aren't putting out any useful information here.
Can you show how envoy is going to shrink?
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Old 03-15-2016 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by babs
From the beginning of 2000 to the end of 2011 we have ~1300 pilots on the seniority list. Not sure where WHAT got his numbers.
He asked to beginning of 2011, not end of 2011.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by babs
From the beginning of 2000 to the end of 2011 we have ~1300 pilots on the seniority list. Not sure where WHAT got his numbers.
I missed the 2000 and used 2010.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by What
I missed the 2000 and used 2010.
It's all good. But that brings up an interesting fact: with the flow at 30/month the last person hired in 2011 should flow in late 2019/early 2020. How many pilots hired after 2011 on the list? I'm guessing around 300 without pulling up the official seniority list. Possibly less.

So let's call it 300. And let's put the flow for that group at 15/month which is conservative. That means the most junior pilot would flow 20 months after the last 2011 hire. Which puts it around 2022.

6 years from today for a new hire.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 06:36 PM
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Thanks! I appreciate the info.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
It's all good. But that brings up an interesting fact: with the flow at 30/month the last person hired in 2011 should flow in late 2019/early 2020. How many pilots hired after 2011 on the list? I'm guessing around 300 without pulling up the official seniority list. Possibly less.

So let's call it 300. And let's put the flow for that group at 15/month which is conservative. That means the most junior pilot would flow 20 months after the last 2011 hire. Which puts it around 2022.

6 years from today for a new hire.
If all goes well without a single hiccup. History proves that hiccups are virtually certain going forward.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
It's all good. But that brings up an interesting fact: with the flow at 30/month the last person hired in 2011 should flow in late 2019/early 2020. How many pilots hired after 2011 on the list? I'm guessing around 300 without pulling up the official seniority list. Possibly less.

So let's call it 300. And let's put the flow for that group at 15/month which is conservative. That means the most junior pilot would flow 20 months after the last 2011 hire. Which puts it around 2022.

6 years from today for a new hire.
Missing something. Protected pilots are at 25 a month, not 30. That's 60 pilots less a year.
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Old 03-15-2016 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Missing something. Protected pilots are at 25 a month, not 30. That's 60 pilots less a year.
The company's magic number is 30/month through the protected pilot group. No more, no less. That means that for the 824 the months they hire more than 60 they will be metered. For the protected pilot group, it will be no less than 30 regardless...so in the company's zoomed out view it's a wash.

But it will be 30 for the PP group as well. They want to get through the "previous agreement" groups as quickly as possible. Then they can go to making all 3 wholly owned flows 50% combined and street hired the other 50%.
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