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Old 05-06-2016 | 09:19 AM
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That's why I turned down going there. I'm sure it's as good of a place to work as anywhere...I just see a lot of reddish colored flags being raised in respect to the main "selling points" they have been promoting.

Just a bad feeling I guess, but being steadily reinforcement by current postings.

Hope it turns out okay for the guys and gals going there!
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Old 05-06-2016 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
So, I have been misled in to flowing and upgrades?


All of us were deliberately misled. Personally I had hoped they would make good on their projections; last year did ok, this year started out well but all of us have raised red flags regarding Letter T, and next year they are predicting massive flow while at the same time stating that upgrades aren't going to happen when they can't get new hires. You can't flow very easily without upgrades to fill those seats.

They lost almost all of the latest hires because they couldn't get DFW 175 and the training department can't push them through fast enough to make room.

Letter T was no big secret; what kind of fool makes projections for massive flow (300+) in a situation that has completely unknown and uncontrollable variables like the potential for up to 800 recalls at AA? We'll be lucky to see 200 flow this year, extremely lucky if more than that. 100+ less than projected last year for this year. The true-up doesn't apply because recalls aren't new hires, so that's out the window, but I'm sure the company will point out that we got a few more than 50% in because they're going to try to push a couple flows in with the recalls.

Hey everyone, we got 60% flows into AA classes because we got flows in classes that had no new hires! Aren't we great? Just please ignore that we predicted 300 and only got 180 in...

I'm sorry to see my guarded optimism has been proven wrong yet again by this company.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 10:04 AM
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Well, I have plenty of free time before class. Im going to keep on my job search I guess.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 10:41 AM
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This is typical of airline management. Maybe instead of making promises they can't keep they should first focus on our contract.....

......oh wait. The contract is a written agreement/promise.

Light bulb!
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Old 05-06-2016 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
Well, I have plenty of free time before class. Im going to keep on my job search I guess.
Sent you a PM.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 10:57 AM
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To brighten your day your boss will write you up for wearing old eagle wings not the new envoy plastic ones
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Old 05-06-2016 | 11:02 AM
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Who do I need to talk to get an earlier class on the 175? Just received an invite for compass. They too operate the 175 and thats what I want to fly.

Thanks.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by lakehouse
To brighten your day your boss will write you up for wearing old eagle wings not the new envoy plastic ones
Before I left a bunch of guys were wearing them upside down...
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Old 05-06-2016 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco
Before I left a bunch of guys were wearing them upside down...
Where did you go and why? Just curious.
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Old 05-06-2016 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
Who do I need to talk to get an earlier class on the 175? Just received an invite for compass. They too operate the 175 and thats what I want to fly.

Thanks.
Nobody you can talk to get an earlier class. We all wish it was different. Vote with your feet.
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